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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: WILL THE REAL MISOGYNISTS PLEASE STAND UP? Case 1.
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- Date: 7 Sep 92 19:42:54 GMT
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- In <Bu50vy.8Ax.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
-
- >In article <nyikos.715737676@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>In <Bu43C8.6ox.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
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-
- >##Oh, yeah, right. DOD uses one of his anti-Semitic slurs as a .sig.
- >##Are you telling us that you don't read any of DOD's articles now,
- >##or are you just using the "if I can't defend it, I never saw
- >##it" excuse?
- >#
- >#What's anti-Semitic about disagreeing with one woman's distorted account
- >#of what Judaism teaches about human life?
-
- >I asked a Reform Rabbi if the view was distorted. (By the way,
- >the woman is describing the Reform view of *personhood*, not
- >human life.) She said no.
-
- Have you ever asked an Orthodox rabbi?
-
- >#And even if it were not
- >#distorted--would you call someone anti-Islamic if he criticized
- >#people who saw nothing wrong with a precept allowing polygamy?
-
- >Yes. I might, for example, think that polygamy is morally wrong.
- >(Please note that this is hypothetical.) That doesn't mean that
- >I would feel that I must criticize people whose religion
- >advocated or accepted polygamy. Holtsinger's quote of me was
- >in response to his request that I condemn the woman for
- >her opinion.
-
- The request does not appear in the .sig file, and I haven't seen
- it anywhere else. Can you repeat it?
-
- > As I said, I see nothing extreme or reprehensible
- >about her opinion. She did not say that she wanted everyone
- >to accept this viewpoint.
-
- >We're talking about the difference between disagreeing with
- >someone and being intolerant of that person (and their religion.)
- >Holtsinger has attacked people for saying anything that
- >resembles a criticism of Christianity. I think that his
- >attack on me for not criticizing a religious view indicates
- >that Holtsinger does not believe that Judaism is worthy of
- >the same respect that Christianity is. To me, that is
- >the form of bigotry known as anti-Semitism.
-
- So far, we are only talking about Reform Judaism, which has no
- official world-view. As far as I have been able to ascertain,
- rabbis are pretty much free to
- judge what is OK and what is not OK within Reform Judaism, except
- perhaps where the Torah is concerned. And I have yet to see
- support for the notion that personhood begins a month after birth in the
- Torah.
-
- And I have yet to see an anti-Semitic statement by either Holtsinger
- or Chaney. I am not denying that they have occurred, only that I
- have seen any.
-
- >(Another example, which occurred before your arrival,
-
- Right. I did not see that one either.
-
- >was a post in which Chaney attributed comments made by a
- >woman with a Jewish-sounding last name to "the Jews of
- >New York," and denigrated the entire group.)
-
- Well, you've just attributed comments made by one Jewish woman
- and one Reform woman rabbi to Judaism as a whole, yet you have
- not denigrated Judaism--or have you?
-
- >Susan Garvin
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
-