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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Badges of Honor
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- References: <1992Aug28.164330.21197@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <1992Sep1.020959.10514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <nyikos.715464590@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1992Sep2.223616.17088@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <nyikos.715537341@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <vvyyfw@rpi.edu> <nyikos.715652202@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <7w1yh2d@rpi.edu>
- Date: 7 Sep 92 16:56:07 GMT
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- In <7w1yh2d@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
-
- >nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>In <vvyyfw@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
- >>>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>>In <1992Sep2.223616.17088@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >>>>>In article <nyikos.715464590@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu
- >>>>>(Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >>>>>} ...but a fetus is not part of her body...
-
- >>>>>Just when you think you have things figured out. Doggone it Peter,
- >>>>>where do you suppose those little buggers are?
-
- >>>>You know the answer as well as I do. That's not the issue.
-
- >>>[An inflammatory paragraph deleted.]
-
- >My "inflammatory" paragraph was in response to your contention that
- >the "location" of fetuses is not the issue.
-
- >Now think about this. When you say that the fact that a fetus is
- >inside a woman is "not the issue", what are you implying?
-
- I was implying that the fact that a fetus is inside a woman does
- not make it a part of her body. That's all. The issue between
- Galen and me was whether the fetus was a part of the woman's body,
- and the fact that it is located there was not the issue.
-
- > I'd say
- >you're implying that all pro-choicers REALLY want is the right to
- >kill.
-
- You're reading way way too much into my words.
-
- > Doesn't matter where or what they're killing, they just want
- >to kill.
-
- More of the same.
-
- > (to prevent the excessive picking of nits
- >here, I'm referring to the vast majority of pro-choicers) For
- >most pro-choicers, the ONLY issue is whether a woman will be
- >forced to remain pregnant against her will.
-
- Even if the reason for that "will" is the fact that she is carrying
- what will become a "baby woman" and she wants a "baby man" instead?
- Do most pro-choicers really support that choice, even at 17 or more
- weeks, about the earliest that abortions for gender selection are
- feasible? Or are you referring only to pro-choicers on talk.abortion,
- who are generally more radical than the pro-choice public at large?
-
- > If pregnancy could
- >be ended without the death of the fetus then hey, happy day.
-
- A pity 5 Supreme Court justices disagreed with you in _Colautti_...
- and _Thornburgh_... In this respect THEY were much more radical
- than, say 90% of all pro-choicers in this country.
-
- By the way, has the Supreme Court ever reversed this part of
- Colautti and Thornburgh, the one enjoining states from prescribing the
- methods of abortion that give the viable fetus the best chances
- of survival?
-
- >MY position, for one, would not change one bit. (Although I
- >DO think that if society was forced to deal with the upkeep of
- >1.3 million unwanted fetuses each year, society at large would
- >quickly return to current methods.)
-
- No such thing would happen, not even if abortion became illegal
- except in the "hard cases": threat to mother's life, rape, incest...
- People would simply be more careful about using contraception.
-
- >Would YOU be opposed to abortion if abortions (almost) always
- >resulted in live fetuses?
-
- No, and I've already made that clear in a number of earlier posts.
-
- >Which is one of the things that leads to the belief that those
- >people are motivated by misogyny.
-
- Have you lumped me with them because of a misconception of what
- I stand for? Well, with Adrienne and others distorting my position,
- I am not surprised.
-
- >>>>> hang gliding mailing list: hang-gliding-request@virginia.edu
-
- >>>>Would you say you are a part of your hang gliding harness?
-
- >>>Is his hang gliding harness using his body?
-
- >>No. His body is using the hang gliding harness. Can't you follow
- >>a simple analogy?
-
- >Condescension does not suit you, Nyikos. In fact, I was heading
- >off any attempt to MAKE an analogy to pregnancy. Because had
- >you attempted to make that analogy, it would have been incredibly
- >lame.
-
- You don't know Galen Hekhuis like I do, apparently. Watch for a
- post later this week, "You Should Have Known I Would Do This. (To Galen et
- al)"
-
-
- >>Peter Ny.
-
- > -rocker
-
- Peter Ny.
-
-