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- From: frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de ()
- Subject: Re: Abortion vs. Adoption
- Message-ID: <1992Sep7.151135.3519@sniap.mchp.sni.de>
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- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
- References: <1992Sep4.173150.23453@menudo.uh.edu>
- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:11:35 GMT
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- HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
- : In <1992Sep4.153752.1234@sniap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de writes:
- : > So to say that abortion is always immoral is to call this woman and countless
- : > others liars, or to deny the existence of conscience. Any bible-thumpers
- : > care to comment?
- :
- : I'm no "thumper" (hard to read that way), but lots of "evil" acts are
- : performed without any moral qualms whatsoever on the parts of those committing
- : them. Does this somehow make the act or the person less evil? Was Hitler less
- : Can you say "eye of the beholder"? I don't think she's lying, nor do I
- : deny the existence of conscience.
-
- You just have. You've said that evil acts can be committed without
- any moral qualms whatsoever. A believer in conscience would say
- that an act is *not* evil if the one who does it suffers no moral
- qualms.
-
- : > You see, this is what I cannot understand - that everyone seems
- : > to "know" that (say) murder is wrong, because their conscience tells
- : > them so. If abortion is supposed to be in some way equivalent to
- : > murder, then why is a similar consensus missing from the abortion
- : > issue?
- :
- : This is in fact not a "new" question. See below.
-
- Well, tell me an old answer...
-
- :
- : > How could something which is supposed to be so *very* wrong produce
- : > such divisive debate? And how could something which is *not at all*
- : > wrong produce such divisive debate?
- :
- : Ever hear of slavery? The American Civil War? A lot of people thought
- : slavery was right and good. A lot thought it was evil and immoral. The latter
- : group won (I'm oversimplifying, but that was the net effect). So now almost
- : all of us agree that slavery is evil and immoral.
-
- To be "divisive debate" you need two things. You need to be "divisive"
- and you need to be "debate". A war is not "divisive debate". It is
- merely "divisive". Like a brawl, only bigger.
-
- I'm not exactly knowledgeable about American history (even though
- there's so little of it:-)) - so do you really say that the slavery
- issue was *debated* in America, with reasonable arguments on both
- sides??
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