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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
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- References: <1992Sep3.185929.9951@advtech.uswest.com> <Bu1E8z.DIn@cs.psu.edu> <1992Sep4.155842.10685@advtech.uswest.com>
- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:37:31 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep4.155842.10685@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
- >> = (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>> = ( Steve Novak) writes:
- >
- >>>I feel sorry for any woman dumb enough to fall for a walking time bomb
- >>>like you, Will.
- >
- >>That's what I like about this group: intelligent repartee. :-|
- >
- >That's what I dislike about you, Beaver: your dishonest editing.
- >
- >Maybe if you'd left in Steeves' comment about KILLING a woman "on the
- >spot" for not telling him about an abortion 'til a year later, then most
- >people would understand my reply.
- >
- >I can't beLIEVE you didn't give Steeve' shit for HIS anti-women comment.
- >Speaks volumes on what you think is important.
- >--
- >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- >| Steve Novak | |"Wacker the K"|
- >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- >steven@advtech.USWest.Com
-
-
- Mr. "Wacker the K,"
-
- I quoted your article in its entirety, to avoid any "dishonest" editing.
-
- First, let me state that killing someone is unacceptable.
- You conveniently seem to have omitted part of what Mr. Steeves said:
-
- |You *might* even be angry enough
- |to be driven to violence as well, especially if the delay had been long, so
- |before condemning me for making such a strong and unambiguous statement, please
- |consider the context within which I made it.
-
- I understood his statement to have two points:
-
- 1. To demonstrate that the disrespect shown by a woman who fails to
- notify her husband that she destroyed their offspring is an outrage.
-
- 2. To use an outrageous but not necessarily literal statement
- to express his anger.
-
-
- If someone threw your child in a Department of Public Works tree shredder,
- would you think it surprising to say, "I'll rip his throat out?"
- "Strong and unambiguous" may argue for the literality of the statement,
- but it isn't necessarily more than a strong and unambiguous statement
- of anger.
-
- I wouldn't be surprised at such a reaction, but I also wouldn't accept
- vigilante behavior. The fact that I wouldn't be surprised doesn't
- mean I accept violence.
-
-
- >I can't beLIEVE you didn't give Steeve' shit for HIS anti-women comment.
- >Speaks volumes on what you think is important.
-
- Mr. Steeves' statement was not so much anti-women as
- anti-outrageous-disrespect, unless +you+ assume it is typical
- and decent for a woman to abort and not to tell her husband.
- It is a popular but sexist attitude to assume that any statement
- made against a woman represents an anti-women stance.
-
- I believe respect is important, but it is not to be legislated.
- I also believe the legal nature of marriage requires full information
- for its participants. If the woman doesn't want to inform her husband,
- let her break her contract and get a divorce (thereby avoiding any
- "walking time bombs"). You might even think it would be a better thing,
- if such gross fears existed.
-
-
- The part that prompted your personal attack was, I presume:
-
- [steeves]
- |And with God or Allah (whomever) as my witness, I will say that in my own
- |situation, if the woman had *not* been so respecting as to tell me before,
- |but in fact had not only told me right afterwards, but had waited a year (!)
- |or more, I probably would have snapped right there and killed her where she
- |stood.
-
- Whether this is literal or not, you and I don't know; we'd have to
- ask Mr. Steeves how he meant it. If it is literal, and it says
- Mr. Steeves is a "walking time bomb," then it is probably better
- to correct the system that pushed him into that position and to
- provide some avenue of help for him (eg. therapy) than to resort
- to such intelligent repartee as insulting him personally.
-
- Don Beaver
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