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- From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt)
- Subject: Re: Report on Philosophies of Physicists
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.073224.1714@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
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- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:32:24 GMT
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- In article <TORKEL.92Sep14074902@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
- > >Meanwhile, now my answer is much much easier than with #. I have no
- > >reason to suppose that the satisfiability of a random Diophantine
- > >equation is independent of ZFC, so I'm certainly not going to waste my
- > >time doing mathematics under the assumption that it is satisfiable.
- >
- > I was insufficiently explicit. I was presupposing the fact that by the
- >theorem of Matiyasevic et al, "ZFC is inconsistent" is equivalent in ZFC
- >to a statement (not too horribly complex, I believe) of the form "the
- >Diophantine equation ... has a solution".
-
- Unfortunately it's now harder than the # we had before. To do this you
- still have to Goedel code "ZFC is inconsistent", except now with one
- hand tied behind your back since you've now required # to be a single
- existentially quantified polynomial. Your previous challenge was
- identical to this, only minus that restriction. With the restriction
- things don't get any shorter, although mercifully they only get larger
- by some constant, maybe 100, I don't know, I'm not too experienced at
- coding proof generators as polynomial equations.
-
- So with or without the Diophantine restriction, which is a purely
- syntactic restriction with no semantic significance, your question
- remains the same: what does it mean for ZFC+# to be a foundation for
- mathematics? I've already done the best I could to answer this to your
- satisfaction, sorry we didn't make more progress.
-
- --
- ======================================================| God found the positive
- Vaughan Pratt pratt@cs.Stanford.EDU 415-494-2545 | integers, zero was
- ======================================================| there when He arrived.
-