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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
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- Subject: Re: Hidden variable theories, was: Uncertainty Princi
- Message-ID: <mcirvin.716153312@husc8>
- Date: 10 Sep 92 19:28:32 GMT
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- firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
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- >In article <mcirvin.716138484@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
-
- >>it just means that it's
- >>not possible to transmit a message from event A to event B where B
- >>is outside A's ****** light cone. In this sense all of relativistic
- ^^^^^^ was the word "future"
- >>quantum mechanics (at least in Minkowski spacetime) is causal.
-
- >Please delete the word "future" from the above. In no sense does any
- >of relativistic quantum mechanics support the implied time asymmetry.
-
- Okay. I dithered slightly about putting it in. You're right, of
- course. The interpretation of timelike correlations between
- observables as transmission *from* the past *to* the future is a
- consequence of an arrow of time not present in microphysics.
- Where it comes from is something we argue about constantly here,
- but I wouldn't put it anywhere in the vertices or propagators of
- the standard model. (see parenthetical note)
-
- I justify my original decision to put in the word "future" by the
- fact that, operationally, that's what it looks like: if you were
- to build any system for sending and receiving messages, since you
- remember the past but not the future, you would interpret the
- messages as an earlier event at the transmitter causing a later
- one at the receiver, not the other way around. But this probably
- has more to do with the murky subtleties of where thermodynamic
- irreversibility comes from than with anything in microphysics.
-
- (I know that the standard model has time asymmetry, but
- it's of a relatively inconsequential variety, since there's still
- CPT symmetry, and time-reversed situations are allowed as long as
- you also conjugate the charges and do a parity reflection. This
- doesn't seem to be the sort of arrow of time that makes it hard to
- unscramble an egg.)
-
- --
- Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
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