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- From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Quantized Length
- Summary: Einstein also thought that length may be quantized.
- Message-ID: <266@mtnmath.UUCP>
- Date: 7 Sep 92 16:56:59 GMT
- References: <cannon.7.715829635@scs.unt.edu> <1992Sep7.034433.19616@galois.mit.edu>
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- In article <1992Sep7.034433.19616@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- > ...
- > The most naive way to obtain a smallest length scale, which goes back
- > at least to the medieval Arabs (who loved geometric designs) is to
- > assume that space is a lattice, that is, something like a
- > checkerboard, on which particles can only move in discrete steps.
- > This idea is currently popular among fans of cellular automata, which
- > are computers (or programs) that simulate worlds in which space is
- > like this and time also occurs in discrete steps. The problem with
- > such theories, apart from the fact that there's no evidence for them,
- > is that they have less symmetry than our world appears to have - we
- > don't SEE any preferred "grid" in space, so it is rather upsetting to
- > most physicists to assume there is one. Computer scientists, however,
- > who play with discrete stuff all day and get brainwashed :-), are
- > often fond of this approach.
-
- It may be only computer scientists who are fond of this approach, but
- Einstein, at the end of his life also felt that something like this may
- be needed.
-
- I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the
- field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that case
- *nothing* remains of my entire castle in the air gravitation
- theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics.
- -- Einstein in a 1954 letter to Besso, quoted from:
- "Subtle is the Lord", Abraham Pais, page 467.
-
- It is not that surprising that one would not see evidence for preferred
- directions in space. When one does finite difference approximations to
- differential equations one can get agreement with differential equations
- to an arbitrarily high degree of accuracy by using a fine enough grid.
- A grid with resolution on the order of the plank length is extremely fine!
- Besides, are you so certain we have not seen such evidence. Is it not
- possible the the asymmetry associated with weak interactions has
- been misinterpreted and may be the first evidence of the absolute
- space-time grid?
-
- I think the approach that looks most promising is also the most simple
- minded. It is not, strictly speaking, based on cellular automata.
- Take a finite difference approximation to the wave equation and discretize
- the field values, by rounding all results to integer values. The
- fascinating thing about this simple minded idea is that so much of
- quantum mechanics falls out directly at least at an intuitive level.
- Photons must be quantized because an initial disturbance cannot spread
- out indefinitely. There is a minimum intensity level at which wave like
- behavior can be maintained. There will be solutions to the difference
- equation that are not solutions to the differential equation and some
- of these will involve standing waves that are potentially models for
- particles. When such structures interact they will transform into one
- another in chaotic like nonlinear process that is a potential model for
- quantum collapse.
-
- It is a huge gap to go from such intuitive possibilities to a physical
- theory. Simulating three dimensional grids at the resolution of the
- Plank distant is out of the question for any process that would have
- macroscopic effects. Thus I don't expect many physicists to take this
- approach seriously unless they are forced to consider radical new
- possibilities. If tests of Bell's inequality begin to provide
- evidence that quantum mechanics is false, as I think will happen
- in the next few years, this may provide both the necessary motivation
- and the experimental results that might make it possible to develop a
- theory along these lines.
-
- Paul Budnik
-