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- From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: ZFC etc. (was Re: Report on Philosophies of Physicists)
- Message-ID: <716501145.10401@minster.york.ac.uk>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 20:05:45 GMT
- Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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- I get a bit lost in some of the postings in the "Philosophies..." thread,
- but it does seem that some of the particpants might be able to help me
- a couple of things straight in my own mind. Maybe the questions have
- already been answered, and I just didn't see it...
-
- 1) We all know that ZFC is consistent (or maybe just those of us who
- are sufficiently naive): I want to know why we have this confidence.
-
- It just the case that lots of very intelligent people have failed
- to find an inconsistency? Or are there informal arguments (as there
- are for Church's thesis) to suggest consistency.
-
- 2) We know that the continuum hypothesis is independent of ZFC. Godel
- provided the model (constructible sets) in which the CH is true, and
- Cohen provided the model (via forcing) in which the CH is false.
-
- Are the proofs by Cohen and Godel are formal proofs? (I would think
- so.) Can we identify the formal system in which the proofs were
- performed?
-
- Thanks for any informed comment.
-
- Felicitations -- Chris Ho-Stuart
-
- (PS this is fall-out from the alt.atheism thread, which has evolved to
- the point where sci.math is the better location)
-