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- From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
- Subject: Re: Proof of God's Existence
- Message-ID: <1992Sep7.115430.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>
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- References: <17ui6kINNsft@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1992Sep1.090011.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> <1992Sep4.192528.21285@guinness.idbsu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:54:30 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep4.192528.21285@guinness.idbsu.edu>,
- holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
- > In article <1992Sep1.090011.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>
- hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
- >>
- >>In article <17ui6kINNsft@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
- >>(P.Chatterjee) writes:
- >>> I was told by somebody that there is a mathematical proof of God's existence;
- >>> was wondering if somebody could shed some light on the same.
- >>>
- >>> Thanks. Looking forward to the response.
- >>
- >> I think that God's existence is an axiom. He says in the Holy Bible (Second
- >> book of Moses 3:14-15 in Old Testament and also in Johannes 8:28-29 in New
- >> Testament) that He is "Existence Himself".
- >> If someone is arguing that "Existence Himself" does not exist, I think that
- >> at the same time he/she is arguing that he/she himself/herself does not exist.
- >>
- >> Hannu.
- >
- > This reminds me of the student who responded to my (true) assertion
- > that we can prove in ZF that the universe does not exist (i.e., there
- > is no set containing everything) by asking why we were bothering with
- > the course (or anything) if there were a mathematical proof that
- > nothing exists. It is not a prerequisite for the existence of
- > individual objects that the abstract object "existence" exist.
- > --
- > The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- > above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- > opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- > or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
-
- I would like to comment following sentence from above:
-
- > nothing exists. It is not a prerequisite for the existence of
- > individual objects that the abstract object "existence" exist.
-
- I think that these your "individual objects" are part of "existence".
-
- Hannu.
-