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- From: userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell)
- Subject: Re: Gallup Poll on Global Warming
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- rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:
-
- >The extra 4 watts per m**2 of radiative flux will be incorporated by
- >climate modelers in sub-grid scale processes which are parameterized,
- >not directly calculated. Climate modelers generally use coarser time
- >and space resolutions than operational models because they run for
- >years (or decades) vice the normal 96-120 hour global numerical weather
- >prediction models. The coarser resolution makes the sub-grid scale
- >parameterizations even more important than in NWP.
-
- Michale and I have had some email about the radiative changes caused by
- increasing CO2, and one point that I think is significant (but Michael may
- differ on) is that doubling CO2 will lead to a 4 W/sq.m reduction in the
- radiative loss to space (a different point from Michael's stipulation that
- the radiative change at the top of the troposphere is 4 W/sq.m).
-
- As a result of this reduction in radiative emissions to space, the
- global system will no longer be at radiative equilibrium, since the
- absorbed solar radiation will not change (yet, since we haven't allowed
- climate to change yet in our theoretical approach).
-
- Now the question to be asked is "How will the earth-atmosphere system
- adjust to re-establish radiative equilibrium with space?" The generally-
- accepted answer is that the mean atmospheric temperature profile will
- change, with the surface warming by 2-4C, no change at the tropopause,
- and cooling of several C in the upper stratosphere. This answer is based
- on the results of GCMs and radiative-convective models. I would be interested
- in hearing other peoples' opinions on any alternate hypothesis on how the
- earth can return to equilibrium.
-
- >Take a look at where some of the parameterizations come from. Like
- >cumulus production, precip, etc. There are many variations, many
- >possibilities for positive and negative feedback. So choice of
- >parameterization can have a big effect on the model predictions.
-
- ...but a number of generally independent (although similar) models give
- the same results: warming of 2-4C. And radiative-convective models do not
- contain the sub-grid-scale parameterizations in the same sense that GCMs
- do. (RCMs do have their "convective adjustment".) None of the models indicate
- cooling or no change. The feedbacks will alter the amount of change, but not
- the direction.
-
- >IMHO, neither the synoptic or climate NWP modelers have sub-grid scale
- >processes "just right" yet.
-
-
-
- Dave Halliwell
- Department of Geography
- University of Alberta
- Edmonton, Alberta
-