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- From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Re: The Human Niche
- Message-ID: <14925@mindlink.bc.ca>
- Date: 7 Sep 92 22:00:17 GMT
- Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
- Lines: 75
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- alanm@igc.apc.org (Alan McGowen) writes:
-
- > Each time we build some telescope or golf- course in the home of other
- > species we kill them, individually and mathematically. Something sacred dies,
- > whether there is an Apache council present to stand for its loss, or not.
- Sacred? The concept of "sacred" is no more than a human construct. Therefore,
- you are saying that whenever something that has a human value is lost,
- something with a human value is lost.
-
- > A place in nature which is sanctified and which allows evolution to continue.
- > What is the alternative? Shall we replace all of nature with artifacts?
-
- Replacing naturally evolved plants with human engineered ones doesn't bother
- me; is one inferior to the other? If one is inferior, which one is it? Is the
- difference (if any) a universal truth or merely the perspective of one human at
- one point in time? Similarly, is a world without sentient life universally
- superior or inferior to one in which most natural life forms have been replaced
- by forms engineered by sentient beings? If your answer is yes, please explain
- why you feel it is superior.
-
- > Shall we continue the war to dominate nature and replace her with artifacts,
- > with machines? Or shall we accept the fact that -- no matter what *else* we
- > are -- we are first and foremost an animal life, a citizen of the land
- > community, one of the carvings of the Inuit Goddess' knife of natural
- > selection?
-
- That "animal life" which you seem to hold in such high regard would have no
- qualms about wiping out the entire human race--or any other species--if it had
- the opportunity. It would then likely be wiped out itself, by eliminating its
- food source, but that's part of what we call evolution. We apply the term
- "evolution" to the average result of a process; it is not a guided process that
- "knows better" than to wipe out a food source species.
-
- Actually, species follow this pattern routinely, multiplying at the expense of
- other species, driving both species to near extinction, failing only because
- enough individuals of each species survive to continue the cycle. Perhaps it
- is human self-interest, which you seem to present as anti-nature and evil, that
- will allow humans to avoid the "consume to near extinction" cycle, and thus be
- superior to non-sentient animals, which are doomed to repeat that cycle until
- they become sentient themselves.
-
-
- > This is a clear choice: do we dedicate our energies to replacing nature or to
- > assisting her, in the sense that other species and human cultures which
- > augment biodiversity do?
-
- Anthropomorphizing nature (implying a benign motherly being) is a powerful
- tactic...if you have convinced yourself that you are right and the end
- justifies the means. If you can't provide a real argument for preserving
- nature, try to twist the argument so that anyone who disagrees with your goals
- can be portrayed as a callous, self-centered person who shoves kindly mother
- figures out of their way. The argument presented in your message ranks up
- there with Mulroney's portrayal of anyone who is against the latest
- constitutional deal as someone who desires to suppress natives, is an
- anti-French bigot, hates Canada, etc.
-
- ps. I think the natural environment is worth preserving. Humanity doesn't
- need to clearcut the world's forests; it could produce all its wood product
- needs with genetically-engineered trees and plants (ie. hemp) on plantations
- covering a relatively small area. All human commercial activity could proceed
- while leaving sections of unspoiled natural environment large enough to support
- the native life.
-
- A lot of human activities could be carried out without a serious impact on the
- natual environment. For example, migrating birds could get used to feeding on
- a seashore despite humans suntanning on a beach, as long as humans present no
- more threat than deer, crocodiles, etc. We can share that beach with the
- birds.
-
- While I do agree with preserving nature, I disagree with your debating tactics
- and arguments (or replacements for valid arguments).
-
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- Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
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