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- From: mustafa@seas.smu.edu (Mustafa Kocaturk)
- Subject: Re: Try this with your DMM
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.053134.19847@seas.smu.edu>
- Summary: Using a DMM to measure its own battery voltage
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- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:31:34 GMT
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- In article <BuAB37.6I6@suite.com> suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net writes:
- >Have you ever tried to get a DMM to measure its own battery voltage?
- >
- >It seems that one must decouple the input from the battery terminals,
- >but there must be a trick to it (I'm using a .01mfd disc cap).
- >
-
- Yes, one can manually simulate a kind of sample & hold circuit
- using a capacitor. Use a 1000 microfarad capacitor to sample the
- battery voltage of the DMM. Since DMM's usually have an internal
- resistance of about 1 to 10 MOhms, you should most likely be able to get a
- reading within +/- 1 least significant digit for a 3.5 digit DMM
- (1/2000 of full scale) off the charged capacitor for at least a duration of
- approximately 1MOhm*1000uF/2000= 500 ms (1/2000 of the time constant).
- This time is barely enough to observe a stable digital display,
- unless there is a bar display, or a hold-display function.
-
- One can even go further and design an electronic sample-and-hold
- circuit that has a periodic sampling interval. A simple one can be designed
- by using a pair of MOSFET SPDT bilateral switches ( If I am not mistaken,
- CD4069 would do it) to alternately connect the capacitor terminals
- to the battery poles and the measurement probes. The switching frequency
- can be increased in order to use a smaller holding capacitor.
-
- >What happens is that the display cycles +/- 2 volts around the true
- >value, but never settles down, seeming to indicate a ground loop.
- >
- >Any ideas?
-
- IMHO, the fluctuation in the display might be the side effect of a feedback
- mechanism built into the DMM circuitry to offset a common mode voltage
- appearing in the differential inputs of the DVM circuitry.
-
- Another possibility is that one of the probe terminals does not have a
- high series resistance in its connection to the DMM, and connecting it to
- a battery terminal causes considerable battery current to flow through this
- path, causing a drop in battery voltage, and therefore, a malfunction
- in circuitry sensitive to the supply voltage
- (a ground loop, using your terminology). A high current through
- a probe may also drive the input op-amp into saturation, with displayed
- results depending on the type of ADC and display control methods used.
-
- Yours,
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- Mustafa KOCATURK mustafa@seas.smu.edu Electrical Engineering Department
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