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- From: wpcallah@RWASIC17.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (William Paul Callahan)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: A/C manifold gauges question
- Message-ID: <9209112223.AA02579@rwasic17.aud.alcatel.com>
- Date: 11 Sep 92 22:23:41 GMT
- Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
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- Now that we agree that a functiong A/C has a phase change, we can better
- understand this system. But I thought the origional post said the inlet
- and outlet of the evaporiator (sue me - I don't spess for a living) were
- both warm. I am familiar with suction throtling, expansion valve, and fixed
- orifice systems - the suction control chamber is a new one, so what I have
- to say might be off, but..
-
- If the condesor is not restriced, then the inlet to the evaporator will have
- liquid R12, and this should boil - resulting in a cool evaporator outlet.
- (Generaly, on my fixed oriface '78 Suburban the inlet is cool as well,
- because the orifice is at the inlet connection). Our poster said he was
- seeing 55psi (low side), and warm inlet. 300 psi on the high is more than I
- would expect on a correctly functiong system. (Again, this system may be
- different than I expect).
-
- 300 psi is sufficent to liquify the R12 up to 130F (I think, not having my
- guages here), in any case I'd say the compressor works. Since the low side
- is also too high the question is what would cause this?
-
- If there was a restriction on the high side, the inlet to the evaporator would
- be cool, as the R12 would boil after the restriction, as the pressure droped to
- 55 psi. If the oriface was plugged, I would expect the low side to be below
- 30 psi. It is not.
-
- So, I think the compressor works, and the high side is not restriced - but
- the high side is too high.
-
- Why is the low side too high ? If the compressor was not working - unlikely.
- If the oriface was too large? This would drop the high side pressure, and I
- think the evaporator outlet would be quite cool.
-
- I think the system is contaminated with air, reducing the heat capacity of
- the system, and raising the system pressures. It is also possiable, that the
- oriface is way open, and the system way overcharged. (if this is the case,
- the evaporator would be cool with a lower high-side pressure of, say 200)
-
- R12 is 'spencive (unless you happen to have bought 120lbs after reading
- about the international treaty to ban it in the mid-80s :). Since you
- may have a contaminated system, it would have to be evacuated to fix,
- and you cannot save the R12 - because it has air. You also don't want to
- re-charge this too many times. If you have a contaminated system, did the
- air come from a repair, an improperly purged charging line, or did you pump
- some air into your freon source (this last not relevent unless you recover
- R12 into 30 lb tanks).
-
- In the end, make sure the facts fit the problem - the biggest problem with
- A/C diagnosis is to remeber the phase change makes the ideal gas law
- inefective, and that the closed system makes the high side effect the low,
- and vice-versa.
-
- And I could be in east hyper-space....
- Good luck.
-