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- From: v087mxgb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn E Thompson)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: Vibration (drivetrain modification) - expert (imNSho) opinion
- Keywords: auto, repair, vibration, modification
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- Date: 11 Sep 92 00:01:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep10.160714.3616@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jimo@navaho.uucp (25656-o'keefe) writes...
- >
-
- Jim (& all interested parties)
-
-
- interesting story.
-
-
- I used to design torsional vibration dampers for crankshafts
- and driveshafts/drivetrains.
-
-
- I have specific knowledge of specific applications that
- I would probably be more professional *not* to disclose.
-
-
- Anyway, the problem between the 2 driveshaft designs
- is the added spring-mass effect of an additional
- U-joint and torsional mass.
-
- See, U-joints induce a sinusoidal impulse frequency
- (freq=1/(2*angualr velocity), that causes torsional
- vibration. This is due to the 180 degree symmetry of
- the non-uniform load transfer between the input and
- output shafts across the joint. Having *2* U-joints
- mounted 90 degrees out of phase cancels the effect this
- has on output angular velocity and makes it constant
- (and equal to input angular velocity). However, at the
- shaft (between the two joints) there is still a sinusoidally
- varying angular velocity (hence angular acceleration and
- torque). This causes torsional vibration of the shaft.
-
- Torsional vibration is the twisting of the
- shaft (in addition to its rotational speed).
-
- Now, generally this vibration is usually relatively
- small and the energy is consumed in the hysteresis
- damping of the driveshaft components and the coulomb
- damping in the system's friction.
-
- Now, I have to digress to the engine to make a point:
-
- In a IC engine the crankshaft experiences this same
- effect, but on a much larger scale, from the movement
- of the piston/rod masses and the firing pressure of
- the combustion cycle.
-
- In this kind of system , this effect can cause catastophic
- torsional stress failure of the crankshaft and related
- components. One of two things are used to solve this:
-
- 1. In gasoline engines (high volume passenger cars, etc)
- it is more economical to add a spring-mass to the system
- to move the critical resonant frequency(-ies) out of the
- normal operating range of the engine (higher *usually*).
- This is what your harmonic balancer does!
-
- 2. In Diesel engines and high-compression gasoline engines
- where higher firing pressures cause a much greater manifestation
- of this phenomenon, a viscous or friction torsional vibration
- damper is added to the system to actually convert the torque
- energy into heat.
-
-
- Back to drivetrains:
-
-
-
- In a drivetrain, this effect is much more subtle (although it
- may not seem it in your van). These can be solved the same ways.
- Your mechanic changed the spring-mass characteristics of your
- system (effectively stiffening your drive-train torsionally
- and raising the natural (resonant) frequencies out of the
- operating range). This *may* work, but it could also raise
- a lower order harmonic into your operating range.
-
- Also, be careful about replacing a driveshaft. The auto industry
- is extremely price sensitive, so they would *not* add a more
- expensive two-piece driveshaft design without good reason.
-
- You may introduce excessive side-loading on the system and
- possibly acclerate wear on the bearings. I dunno, its hard
- to tell without all the design details.
-
- Although this doesn't help you, I must tell you, returning
- to a dealer cannot help you if this is a design problem....
-
-
- Best bet is to add a harmonic driveshaft balancer to your
- stock driveshaft. Problem is radial height is at a premium under
- a vehicle, so getting an effective one is challenging.
-
- These are manufactured and available. They can bolt over the shaft
- or at the joints, or some other convenient location...
-
- Check around for one of these in particular. You may have to
- experiment with the various sizes (masses/spring rates of the
- rubber interface) until you get the optimum setup.
-
-
-
- Good Luck
-
-
-
- Shawn Thompson
- (ex-automotive-industry-engineer-now-temporarily-a-microscope-
- engineer-where-the-heck-did-that-connection-come-from?)
-