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- From: crittew@agora.rain.com (Walt Crittenden)
- Subject: Re: MD & Rn want to run it all.....
- Message-ID: <Bu4GIB.83B@agora.rain.com>
- Organization: Open Communications Forum
- References: <EMERG-L%92090312260700@VM.MARIST.EDU>
- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:20:33 GMT
- Lines: 38
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- >>I was at the ER after delivering a COPD pt. with head trauma to the ER...
- >>they blasted me for giving the pt 15LPM of O2. they said no matter what
- >>always give the COPD pt 2 lpm via nasal cannula. They said even with
- >>child birth, avulsions...etc.. the only time they said full flow was during
- >>a full arrest.
-
- In EMERGENCY CARE IN THE STREETS (N. Caroline, 1987), in the Respiratory System chapter, the author writes:
-
- Management of COPD patients in acute decompensation is aimed primarily
- at relieving hypoxemia. As mentioned in an earlier section, many of
- these patients breathe on hypoxic drive, and thus administering
- oxygen may take away their stimulus to breathe, resulting in apnea.
- THIS IS _NOT_ A JUSTIFICATION TO DEPRIVE THE PATIENT OF OXYGEN THERAPY,
- FOR HE MAY DIE WITHOUT IT. Simply be alert to the possibility that
- oxygen administration may depress the patient's respirations and be
- prepared to (1) coach the patient to breathe and (2) assist ventil-
- ations if the necessity arises. This point is often misunderstood
- and thus bears emphasis: _NEVER_, _NEVER_, _NEVER_ WITHHOLD
- OXYGEN THERAPY FROM ANY PATIENT IN RESPIRATORY DISTRESS, EVEN A
- PATIENT WITH COPD. If the patient needs oxygen, provide it generously.
- If he develops respiratory depression from oxygen therapy, help him
- to breathe. But NEVER, NEVER hesitate to administer oxygen to any
- patient suspected of acute respiratory insufficiency. No patient
- with COPD has ever died from respiratory depression secondary to
- oxygen therapy if he was being closely watched."
-
- ...The above emphasis is the AUTHOR'S, not (necessarily) mine!
-
- As for the "dialogue" in the E.D., the nurse was out of line, in my opinion.
- I would talk to your medical director - perhaps a nursing inservice is
- (past) due....
-
-
- Walt Crittenden
- Registered Pharmacist - Good Samaritan Hospital, Portland, OR
- EMT-II
- ACLS
-
-