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- From: lwalsh@nemo (Laura L. Walsh)
- Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
- References: <Bu9opJ.46G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Sep9.213509.7219@bostech.com> <BuDDI3.4r0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Sep12.212458.5571@jlc.mv.com> <dlhanson.52@nap.amoco.com>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:39:41 GMT
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- dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:
- >In article <1992Sep12.212458.5571@jlc.mv.com> john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie) writes:
- >>In article <1992Sep9.213509.7219@bostech.com> (Leon Story) writes:
- >>> If it's so impossible to provide superior education to a class which
- >>> contains very bright (and motivated) and very slow kids, then why not
- >>> give the supposedly bright ones the assignment of getting the slow
- >>> ones up to speed (in motivation, in skills, and in comprehension)?
- >>> Surely that's one of the greatest challenges they'll ever face.
-
- It may, in fact, be difficult, but it requires the patience and tact
- that takes many years to develop, i.e., even adults find it difficult
- to teach. Some never can. So too with bright, motivated children.
- Some can learn to do it. Others find it too onerous. It is therefore
- not a possible general solution, even if it were desirable (which I
- don't think it is.)
-
- >> Herman Rubin makes a tacit assumption that the top students will
- >>learn most efficiently when they are separated. My experience hints
- >>it ain't so... Most people seem to learn best while explaining something
- >>to an avid student.
-
- >I would like some "proof" that holding the brightest children in a class
- >so they can teach the others helps the brightest ones achieve more.
- >My experience and common sense indicates otherwise. It seems to me that
- >taking time away from the studies of the brightest will not help them.
- >Holding them back with easier material will not help them to learn more.
- >(And don't try the "cooperation" skills argument.)
-
- This group discussed this once before. It seems that research shows
- that children learn best when the material is just a little too
- difficult for them, i.e., when they have to work at learning. This
- goes for ALL children, as far as anyone can tell.
-
- I don't buy the cooperation-skills argument either. Two bright kids
- working on a project have to learn cooperation and how to explain
- the subject, too, but they might also learn some new subject matter
- along the way.
-
- My bias: my daughter spent most of last year waiting for the class
- to catch up. One wasted year in my opinion.
-
- >David L. Hanson Home school - it works for us!
- >Teacher, Grace Christian Academy (home school)
-
- Laura Walsh Now we are trying private school.
- Much better.
-