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- From: donp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Don Pettengill [CT R+D])
- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:04:58 GMT
- Subject: Re: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
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- >> enhance that enjoyment. Wholly absent from my view is any desire to
- >> target the institutions _specifically_ toward the optimization of
- >> geniuses, or toward the production of scientists and technologists for
- >> the material betterment of "society" through increased economic
- >> product, or even the advancement of our knowledge of the universe. I
- >> don't think these are goals which matter much, and I think that those
- >> people (the "geniuses") are very much the ones who can take care of
- >> themselves---by definition!
-
- Surely the only thing educational institutions should be targetted
- _specifically_ towards, is helping each student achieve his full
- potential? As Prof. Rubin rightly points out, the very bright student
- is not merely ignored (ie left to take care of herself) but often
- actively hindered in getting an appropriate education. As a scientist
- myself, I strongly object to the above characterization of advancement
- of knowledge as "not mattering much". Plainly, to the poster it does
- not, but to me and many others, it does matter a great deal. Our love
- of the subject, and natural curiosity, are what led us to the study of
- Science in the first place.
-
- The above attitudes towards the study of Science (or to *any* other
- subject, actually) are at the heart of the current malaise in public
- education. I would not want my children in any class where advancement
- of knowledge, and by implication, personal educational discovery, were
- so lightly dismissed. The earlier assertions by Mr. Green that helping
- others is in itself good educational experience, seems valid on its
- face; but the cost of missed oppurtunity for the smart student is too
- readily dismissed. In mathematics at least, the gifted are so
- superior to the average student that in an average high school class
- they will be denied access to a whole universe of fascination. The
- appropriate analogy would be: having first graders who are ready to
- read, concentrate instead on helping other students with alphabet
- blocks *for eight years*. The skills that Mr. Green feels are so
- unimportant, are merely tools that we use to explore mathematics and
- the sciences, and yet the average high school education denies them to
- the bright students!
-
- Mr. Green may be perfectly correct in his assertion that the schools
- are there, after all, not only to meet the needs of individual students,
- but also to serve some other broad purpose for society. This is all
- well and good, but for me and many others the education of our own
- children is of primary importance, and if the public schools ar unable
- to do the best they can for our individual children, then we shall
- desert them.
-
- Finally I object also to the way Mr. Green picks out the bright kids
- as being somehow unworthy of being presented with the same level of
- personal intellectual challenge, as the other students. I feel that,
- despite the cloaking of the opinion in "advancement of knowledge does
- not matter much", or "well it's only because Society needs more
- engineers", it's just typical (unfortunately) public education
- anti-intellectualism. Mr. Green needs to wise up: smart students take
- advanced courses out of curiosity, the joy of discovery, and the
- excitement of challenge, and not, as he seems to think, out of a duty
- to society to become an engineer, or to advance the frontiers of
- knowledge.
-
- Unfortunately, the above mentioned "curiosity, joy of discovery, and
- excitement of challenge" are easily extinguished in the mind-numbing
- environment of a public high school science and mathematics education.
-
- Perhaps the above is a little intense, but frankly I was pretty put
- out by the "advancement of knowledge not mattering much" quote. My
- apologies if I've over reacted.
-
- regards,
-
- don pettengill
-