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- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
- Path: sparky!uunet!kithrup!sef
- From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
- Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
- Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:53:57 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep15.005357.14302@kithrup.COM>
- References: <1992Sep14.161420.18763@ists.ists.ca> <DREIER.92Sep14154407@beirut.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <DREIER.92Sep14154407@beirut.berkeley.edu> dreier@beirut.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
- >Or is the FSF position on Apple perhaps less rational?
-
- Or is perhaps your knowledge of the situation limited by your ablity to
- think and read?
-
- >I also am a little curious about FSF's position on Macintosh ports. OK,
- >Apple sued some people, and maybe that's not so good.
-
- Apple has sued uSoft and HP over "user-interface copyright violation."
- Apple is claiming that any program that looks a certain way and acts a
- certain way infringes on their "copyrights," and therefore falls under the
- various protections provided for by the various copyright laws in the US and
- other countries.
-
- One of the implications of this is that a lot of what the FSF does would be
- made illegal, if the argument is carried out to it's logical conclusion.
-
- >But what differentiates
- >USL's suit against UC Berkeley (BTW, even though I may be a grad student
- >at UCB, I have/had nothing to do with BSD Unix (or whatever you want to call
- >it), I'm just a disinterested bystander) from Apple's suits?
-
- You are not only disinterested, you're also terribly ignorant of apparantly
- all of the issues involved.
-
- USL is suing BSDI and UCB, claiming that the Net/2 tape contains copyrighted
- (or trade-secret-protected) USL code. Naturally, the BSDI and UCB folks
- disagree, and I tend to agree with them. At the moment, however, USL is not
- claiming that any code that looks and acts like UNIX is subject to their
- control, despite what a lot of other ignorant people seem to think. The
- worst possible interpretation of USL's actions is that, since the Net/2 code
- was developed as partial-replacements of the USL/AT&T code, line by line at
- times, then the code is based up or otherwise derived from USL/AT&T code,
- and therefore falls under USL's copyright. I diagree with that assertion,
- as well, but USL has *not* claimed that. Yet, at least. Anyone who wants
- to can read the papers on uunet (ftp.uu.net:~ftp/vendors/bsdi/usl) and see
- what USL has claimed so far.
-
- If/when USL claims that code that contains no portion of USL's code falls
- under USL's copyright, then there may be something to worry about, and a
- reason to call for a boycott of USL -- although calling for a boycott of
- AT&T long distance would be far more likely to be noticed and acted upon,
- since AT&T is a majority holder of USL.
-
- As for why the FSF is not endorsing any apple ports: Apple is in business
- to make money. Apple makes money by selling hardware; they do not sell
- software, except as a secondary thought. By porting GNU utilities, such as
- emacs or gcc, to the Macintosh, you are helping to encourage people to get a
- Macintosh, and, therefore, are helping to support Apple's evil, litiguous
- ways.
-
- --
- Sean Eric Fagan | "You can't get lost in one room, no matter how
- sef@kithrup.COM | little effort you make to learn your way around."
- -----------------+ -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
- Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
-