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- From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.mach
- Subject: Re: AT&T USL vs. BSDI/UCB, Mach3, OSF/1, GNU HURD, Linux
- Message-ID: <PCG.92Sep5151041@aberdb.aber.ac.uk>
- Date: 5 Sep 92 15:10:41 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 23: 20:30 GMT
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- (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
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- pcg> It would astonish me if, having set a precedent w.r.t.
- pcg> UCB/NET2/BSDI, USL were not to use it immediately w.r.t.
- pcg> CMU/Mach3/FSF. By doing so they would effectively prevent the OSF,
- pcg> with their current staff, from producing an OSF/n that does not
- pcg> require an USL Unix source license.
-
- jclark> Could this be a reason for some commerical companies going to
- jclark> 'Chorus'.
-
- But Chorus is friends with USL and their licensee, so they have nothing
- to fear. Indeed USL could have an interest in attacking Mach3, as this
- would leave Chorus, which is their technology of choice, as the only
- major Unix microkernel implementation.
-
- jclark> Then again, maybe the implementors of VAX/VMS saw some ATT code
- jclark> as well, that leaves IBM, but not the PC since Microsoft is a
- jclark> long time UNIX licensee.
-
- I see the jocular tone, but the serious point is that USL cares only if
- somebody "tainted" with access to USL Unix sources is producing
- something that competes more or less directly with SVR4.
-
- And yes, now that you make me think of it, probably USL could attack
- Windows NT on at least one of the grounds on which it is attacking
- UCB/BSDI.
-
- Surely Windows NT is Unix-like, a competitor of SVR4, and developed by
- people that previously worked on Xenix, and that may well have copied
- USL's trade secrets in the Windows NT code. I'd be surprised if they had
- not, given the nature of those 'secrets' -- I'd even be prepared to
- think that some parts of Windows NT source are strikingly similar, and
- may look copied from, parts of USL's Unix source code.
-
- Even worse, odds are that just as Richard Rashid, the developer of Mach,
- a person who has been privvy to and been working with licensed USL trade
- secrets for over a dozen years, has become Microsoft's technical
- director for NT, there are several UCB alumni that have contributed to
- the development of BSD4.x that are now working for Microsoft on Windows
- NT.
-
- If I were USL I would sue Microsoft over Windows NT rather than UCB
- over BSD, as Windows NT looks a much more terrible competitor to SVR4
- than BSDI. Unless USL is suing BSDI/UCB as the easier target, to
- establish a precedent, and having done that ...
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