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- From: xappeal@xtreme.sublink.org (X Appeal Info)
- Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
- Subject: Re: PCs/Macs as Xterminals - any advice?
- Message-ID: <Jo0iqB1w164w@xtreme.sublink.org>
- Date: 4 Sep 92 00:15:30 GMT
- References: <1992Sep1.174050.29330@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
- Organization: Xtreme s.a.s. - Livorno, Italy
- Lines: 127
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- moc@bnl.gov (Mike O'Connor) writes:
-
- > >We are upgrading our computer systems lab and are thinking
- > >of getting Xterminals.
- > >We have an NCD Xterminal at the moment which is really nice.
- > >But for the same price we can get two 486 PCs or a Macintosh
- > >Quadra running X emulation software.
- >
- > When you add up all of the extra components from all of the different vendors
- > you soon find out that the apparent cost savings is just not there.
-
- That can be true, but in many cases the needed components are already there:
- users who already have an Ethernet connection used for character-based Unix
- access can easily upgrade to X.
-
- > X terminals can be centrally administered, after initial setup ALL
- > administration on an NCD terminal can be from a remote location and
- > centralized modifications get distributed to all terminals. PC's must
- > each be put together and administered seperately, and PCNFS is not as
- > robust as NFS on a true UNIX host.
-
- If you have a network of PCs (Novell, PC-NFS or other), it's easy to put
- the X server software on a file server, and "centrally administer" it, by
- using a BOOTP server to assign the variable parameters to each PC.
-
- > I don't work for any hardware or software vendors, my opinions come from
- > extensive X terminal experience and administrator of them.
- > The following is a paper contributed by Tektronix reguarding the question of
- > PC based X terminal emulators.
-
- Well, do they sell X servers for PCs, or X terminals? :-)
- I think their opinions are somewhat biased towards hardware...
-
- > For instance, it has been universally accepted that X servers on PCs are
- > primarily meant for casual X users. Yet, it is unlikely the performance
- > level or this type of configuration will be sufficient enough to compete with
- > dedicated X devices, like X terminals, in a computer-intensive environment.
-
- What is a "computer-intensive environment"?
- In any case, the performance level which allows a practical use of X servers
- is better judged by real users.
-
- > However, the obvious advantage the PC-based X servers have over
- > X terminals is that companies can maintain their installed base of PCs
- > as they move toward distributed processing.
- > Companies with an established network of powerful PCs, with a
- > need for only moderate X performance, should consider a PC X server
- > solution. Other candidates are companies which will not or can not give
- > up local PC processing and are willing to upgrade existing PCs in order
- > to gain acceptable X Window performance.
- > As mentioned before, the answer lies in cost and performance.
- > Keep in mind, to get reasonable performance, a PC will need to be a
- > 386/20 MHz or more -- unless the required X performance is remarkably
- > low, like 4K stones.
-
- The average professional PC is today something with at least a 386 CPU,
- and SuperVGA capabilities (at least 800x600 with 256 colors on a 512KB card)
- are becoming standard also for low-cost no-name machines.
-
- > Are the PCs networked and is the network a running TCP/IP?
- > If not, it will cost about $750 or more per PC for a network
- > card and TCP/IP software. An additional $500 should be added for X
- > server software, resulting in a $1,250 investment per seat.
-
- Unless you buy some X server with built-in TCP network software. And in
- any case not all X servers are so expensive. To make an example, an
- academic institution could pay $200 per seat for a 10-user license of
- our product. And the extra cost for the network card is rarely needed;
- usually PC users interested to install X on their PCs already use character
- based TCP/IP software via Ethernet.
-
- > The display capabilities of most installed PCs are usually no
- > higher than EGA or VGA with 16 colors and 600 x 400 resolution. This
- > may not be adequate for displaying multiple X Windows. Costs for
- > upgrading with an accelerated graphics package for PCs, range from
- > $1,200 to $1,500, depending on the card and monitor.
-
- Things are rapidly changing, see above.
-
- > High-resolution 14-inch monitor $1,100
-
- That's about twice as much of common street prices!
-
- > Today's TCP/IP network software for personal computers is not as
- > robust as workstation or X terminal network software, so routers,
- > bridges and other types of network hardware may yield poor performance,
- > if in fact they work at all.
-
- I think that DOS TCP/IP software manufacturers do not agree at all! :-)
-
- > Networked PCs running X Windows are extremely dependent on the
- > network and network software. All TCP/IP software for PCs limits the
- > number of windows that can be accessed at one time. some network
- > software packages require 14 multiple windows just to start up, this
- > presents an immediate problem.
-
- Probably *some*, definitely not *all*!!!
-
- > Unassisted graphics cards of any resolution and color depend
- > upon the PC for power. If you install a high-resolution, 256-color VGA
- > card, the performance may be unacceptable for X Windows operations.
-
- May be, may be not. It depends on the used applications and the speed
- of the X server.
-
- > The final point for users to consider when choosing between PCs
- > and X terminals is the performance of X servers on PCs. The X bench
- > ratings range from a slow 3.5K Xstones to 33K Xstones. The breakdown is
- > a follows:
- > o Without accelerated graphics -- approximately 3.5K-6K Xstones
- > o With co-processor graphics -- as high as 18K Xstones
- > o With 8514 graphics/486-based PC -- as high as 32K Xstones
- > not running Windows 3.1
-
- Although many X terminals are faster, performances over 5000 Xstones are
- generally useful for most applications. In any case the threshold is very
- subjective and users have to do their choices based on a cost-performance
- evaluation. Which for an installed base of powerful networked PCs can be
- definitely better than the X terminal solution.
-
-
-
- Best Regards
-
- Giovanni Novelli
- Xtreme s.a.s. - Livorno, Italy
- xappeal@xtreme.sublink.org
-