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- From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
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- Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
- Message-ID: <1992Sep11.102556.25901@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>
- Date: 11 Sep 92 10:25:56 GMT
- References: <1992Sep9.235620.25510@spider.co.uk> <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Sep10.145345.17065@sophia.smith.edu>
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- In article <1992Sep10.145345.17065@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:
- >In article <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
- >>NeXT scrollbars are the ONLY good implementation of this I have seen -
- >
- >Except for one small detail, scrollbars on the Amiga work exactly
- >like those on the NeXT. (or was that the other way around?)
- >Difference: clicking in the scrollspace moves the "knob" by the
- >height (or width) of the knob. The difference is with the Amiga,
- >I typically do a click to move a short distance and a drag to
- >move a long distance. The NeXT is just the reverse. Six one,
- >half a dozen the other I guess.
- >
- >>click somewhere in the scroll space and the bar moves right there (the
- >>bar is also sized proportionally to the visible space / scrollable
- >>space ratio), move the bar by dragging it around, and the workspace
- >
- >I always took proportional scrollbars for granted until I
- >recently started working on a Mac. If you are going to use up
- >precious screen space with scroll bars, they should at least
- >convey as much useful information as possible. In a text editor,
- >for example, with a proportional scroll bar you can at a quick
- >glance not only tell where you are in a document, but how big the
- >document is.
- >
- >It really baffles me why other window systems have not adopted
- >proportional scroll bars. It is not like they are a new concept
- >or something---the Amiga has been using them for about 7 years
- >now. (And I seriously doubt Commodore would try to sue anybody
- >else who used them!)
-
- GEM on the Atari range of computers has the same type of scroll bars which
- work in the same way as the Amiga's ones. The Mac seems to be the od one out
- in this.
-
- >
- >-john
- >
- >
- >--
- >===jfieber@sophia.smith.edu==================================================
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-
- Steve
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