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- From: english@alicudi.usc.edu (Joe English)
- Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
- Subject: Scrollbars (was Re: GUIs Considered Harmful)
- Date: 10 Sep 1992 12:46:32 -0700
- Organization: Nerds of Action
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- Sender: english@alicudi.usc.edu (Joe English)
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- References: <NEERI.92Sep1141334@iis.ethz.ch> <1992Sep6.060556.14670@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> <id.P72T.O1C@ferranti.com> <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu>
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- In article <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu>, fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
- |> mark@spider.co.uk (Mark Valentine) writes:
- |> >
- |> > Scrollbars are another GUI feature that seem simply to waste real estate
- |> > most of the time. Most people I point it out to are pleasantly surprised
- |> > to learn that SHIFT-PGUP does the sensible thing by default in xterm (well,
- |> > half-sensible, I customised it to go a full page).
- |> [...]
- |> off topic:
- |> not to mention a blatant NeXT plug:
- |> NeXT scrollbars are the ONLY good implementation of this I have seen -
- |> click somewhere in the scroll space and the bar moves right there (the
- |> bar is also sized proportionally to the visible space / scrollable
- |> space ratio),
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- I rather like the xterm/xman scrollbar behaviour, now that
- I've figured out how to work it -- Clicking/dragging button 2
- does the same thing described above, clicking button 1 pushes
- the line next to the pointer to the top of the screen, and clicking
- button 3 pulls the top line down next to the pointer. Very handy.
- The bindings are a little weird (I would have swapped the button1/button2
- actions; it seems a bit more intuitive that ``move the thumb here''
- is the primary action and should be bound to the primary button),
- and the entire thumb can scroll off the bottom, but other than that
- it works well.
-
- |> [...] and the
- |> buttons at the ends of the scrollbar are in pairs so if you miss and
- |> have to back up, you just move 1/8 inch, not all the way to the other
- |> end of the bar.
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- Agreed! When I first saw a picture of the NeXT UI this was the
- first thing that jumped out at me. Why didn't anyone else
- think of that? It's much more sensible than the Mac/Motif layout,
- and let's not even *mention* the horrifying things OpenLook
- ``elevators'' do...
-
- --Joe English
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- joe@trystero.art.com
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