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- Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
- Path: sparky!uunet!rde!ksmith!keith
- From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
- Subject: Humility ... was( Re: Xenix considered harm...)
- Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
- Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 01:41:23 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep07.014123.8784@ksmith.uucp>
- Followup-To: comp.misc
- References: <1189@consult.UUCP> <BtznH6.Ez@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> <1992Sep03.153627.11410@Celestial.COM>
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- In article <1992Sep03.153627.11410@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
- >In <BtznH6.Ez@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
- >
- >:Well, he said that Xenix was appropriate for customers who had no
- >:networking or security needs. Modems are a form of networking, and as
- >:you mention, they work fine. But putting a modem on a computer and
- >:leaving security turned off is just about as much of a security risk
- >:as putting the root password in /etc/issue.
- >
- >Xenix has the same security as UNIX had for years and it works
- >just fine if the people on the system take reasonable precautions
- >about passwords. I've run Xenix for years on systems that are
- >quite well connected to the world (camco talks to approximately
- >50 other systems every day and runs Xenix 2.3.3).
-
- Marc, Remember this.
-
- 1. Security is only as good as the lock on the front door of the
- building, and the viability/availability of the backup tape.
-
- 2. Locks are for honest people. Someone who wants in bad enough will
- get in even if you don't leave the door open. For an accountant's
- office a simple deadbolt is plenty. At the bank you need a vault.
- Security is really a form of damage control.
-
- 3. Many net guru's on other groups are administering large sites on
- university campuses full of bright young people like you with too much
- time on their hands, so this security issue is like paramount. On the
- otherhand most SCO folks are more concerned about other issues.
- Viability of the company providing the product (will the bugs get
- fixed?). Stability of the product (Does it crash every weekend or when
- heavily loaded?). Availability of hardware & software products for
- vertical markets. These people don't HACK unix. They USE it and SELL
- it. They have no more desire to hack up GNU emacs to run on SCO than to
- jump off the empire state building. The fact that a net.source compiles
- first shot on platform X is of no consequence. However, The fact that
- application A (say point of sale with barcode readers for a video store)
- is available DOES MATTER, along with say Real World, or Open Systems
- accounting, or other Vertical Software. THIS is why you buy SCO. To
- fill an application hole somewhere when your reputation is riding on it.
-
- >.....
- >:>>senior this year.
- >:> ^^^^^^
- >
- >:Your point being? Or do you feel that I'm unqualified to participate
- >:in this discussion, because I'm still in high school?
-
- No, but you must learn to understand the group of people you are dealing
- with a little better. Some of these people have been doing this shit
- upwards of 10 years, and seen products come an go. Hell 2 years ago SCO
- tried to kill off Xenix. Lasted about a month, till Michaels & Co came
- back and recended the earlier declaration of dropping Xenix. (Oh no,
- someone was misquoted, We had no intention my ass! :) )
-
- You do NOT Piss all over a VERY LARGE installed user base. That would
- be like Microsft, when NT comes out, saying Screw DOS we have a REAL os
- now, Switch cause we ain't sellin it no more. Hehehehe, Digital
- Reasearch would probably jump all over that one...
-
- >
- >Hire the teenagers while they still know all the answers! When I
- >graduated from high school, I knew it all. Four years of college
- >taught me how little I really know (it took me a lot longer than
- >that to learn a little humility :-).
-
- Ahh Bill, That is perhaps our problem as we get older <sigh>. We get
- very used to those things that are familiar to us, but if Linus Torvalds
- had a little humility we may not have Linux either. BTW. Xenix
- compatability for Linux is in the works, as is MS-DOS emulation. The
- DOS king himself was but a young pup when he sold the world on DOS.
-
- I'm afraid the OS of the future is far from decided, Although I seem to
- note "XENIX and SCO compatability" a hell of a lot. Flattery wouldn't
- you say Marc? Indeed, and neccessary too!
-
- >
- >Bill
- >--
- >INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
- >UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way
- > uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
- >SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- It doesn't matter. I speed a process up from 1 hour to 20 minutes, and
- then it's STILL too long. Streamline it to 10 and we complain about the
- effect on other apps. Forever we will go faster, faster, faster. Only
- thing is we went from IBM AS/400 to 486/33 dropping around 70% of the
- hardware cost. Cheaper & faster all the time my friend.
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