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- From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
- Subject: Re: UNIX Philosophy
- Message-ID: <ellis.715702820@nova>
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- Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
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- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:20:20 GMT
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- jbowyer%ovc.vutbr.cs%CSBRMU11.BITNET@aearn.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Jeff Bowyer) writes:
-
- >I am very new to UNIX, having worked with DOS for the last 5
- >years.
-
- >I want to find an editor to use under UNIX (HP-UX 8.02) on our
- >computer (HP 9000/807).
-
- >Although I have located the source code for several editors
- >throughout Internet, I cannot get a clean "make" out of any of
- >them.
-
- >Coming from the DOS world, where source code seldom accompanies
- >a program, I am quite hesitant to start whacking away at someone
- >else's code in order to get a clean "make."
-
- >Will someone with more experience please explain to me the UNIX
- >philosophy? Should I only look for software with documentation
- >that explicitly states that it will run under HP-UX 8.02? Should
- >I get used to the idea of changing the source code every time
- >I want to use a new program?
-
- >Jeff Bowyer
-
- Once upon a time there were two main versions of UNIX, BSD and SYSV. Each
- one had things the other lacked, or had better versions of the same stuff.
- Computer manufacturers began to mix and match the parts. Some kept a BSD
- kernel and utilities but began to add pieces from SYSV (Sun, DEC). Others
- kept mostly SYSV kernels and utilities but added BSD compatibility packages
- (SGI, Intergraph, etc.). Then there was HP, which took a BSD kernel and ran
- SYSV utilities and BSD utilities in a mix quite unlike anyone else.
-
- In the sourceware world of the interconnected UNIX community, those of us
- who are not wizards or gurus are dependent on the kindness of strangers to
- port packages from one of the universes listed above to the others. There
- is more really complicated sourceware for BSD than SYSV, much of which will
- compile on SunOS and Ultrix with little problem. If there are any problems
- there are several hundred thousand Sun's out there, with millions of people
- trying to solve the same problems you are. Furthermore, a very high
- proportion of these are at academic sites, where people are inclined to use
- free software and share their work. Between DEC and HP, there are still
- fewer than half as many machines out there. DEC is probably better
- represented at academic sites, with HP better represented at commercial
- sites. Commercial sites are somewhat less likely to use free software and
- less likely to share their work.
-
- The short answer is there are fewer people with HP's trying to do what you
- want to do. Furthermore, because it is a rather different mix of BSD and
- SYSV than most of the others, it is more difficult to do what you want to do
- with HPUX than the others. I have had very sharp people tell me it is
- difficult to port many packages to HP. HP does maintain an FTP archive
- somewhere of ported software, but I believe it may be available only to
- people who have paid some sort of support or user-group fee. Someone
- correct me if I am wrong.
-
- What you might try is to simply configure the software as SYSV or USG. Some
- packages use (Larry Wall's?) configure program to figure out all of the
- details. Those should be easy to install (although configure used to get
- confused by Ultrix). Some packages do have explicit HP instructions. If
- you do not understand the first thing about configuring UNIX sourceware, the
- files you need to look at are README, INSTALLATION, Makefile and any files
- that end with .h. It is nice if you have someone to show you the ropes, but
- I learned without any help, starting with an Intel 310/286 and the hardcopy
- manuals. I also knew very little about C at the time 7 years ago. I
- succeeded in porting dozens of programs to the even stranger world of SYSIII
- on a 16-bit processor.
-
- Good luck.
-
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