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- From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
- Subject: Re: Fixed: Runs at 8MHz, Crashes at 33MHz, 386bsd
- Message-ID: <1992Sep11.200736.20247@qualcomm.com>
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- References: <1992Sep8.070731.21159@bernina.ethz.ch>
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:07:36 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep8.070731.21159@bernina.ethz.ch> torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda) writes:
- >Some time ago, I complained with the following problem:
- >
- > At 8 MHz, my machine appears perfectly stable.
- > At 33 MHz, I get repeated trap type 12 panics.
- [...]
- >The most concrete suggestions were to either add wait states or buy
- >faster memory. Couldn't add any more wait states, but I managed to
- >swap 8Mb of 80ns simms for 70 ns simms.
- >
- >Instantly, I could rebuild kernels or run my little crash program
- >which simply allocated ever increasing amounts of memory and scribbled
- >through it.
- >The peculiarity is that with the old memory, I had been able to run
- >dos, windows in enhanced mode and even SCO unix.
- >It would still be nice to know what the cause is and why 386bsd
- >provokes the problem.
-
- Very interesting. I've been having similar problems with my 486-50
- (with 16 meg, Adaptec SCSI controller and NE-2000). A good way to
- crash it is to go into one of the source trees and run make. Often I
- couldn't get through half a dozen nroff's of man pages before a panic,
- usually a message from vm_fault() that I interpret to be the kernel
- dereferencing a bogus pointer. Sometimes it wouldn't even get through
- the reboot before it would panic again. Applying every patch in sight
- didn't seem to help the problem.
-
- So, inspired by your note, I just tried hitting my machine's Turbo
- switch, knocking its clock speed down to 10 Mhz (at least that's what
- the display on the front panel says). And the machine now seems *much*
- more stable. It's gotten through several source directories without
- incident so far, albeit much more slowly.
-
- One possible theory (stress *theory*): many modern PC chipsets provide
- registers to control things like bus clock speeds, memory wait states,
- etc. Much more convenient than the hardware jumpers on old motherboards.
- Since these are usually set by the BIOS setup program and forgotten,
- perhaps something in 386BSD is scribbling over them (or their CMOS
- save areas) unintentionally? Going to faster memory, or slowing the
- machine down, would let the machine run with these unintentionally
- changed settings. This theory would also explain why the same machine
- could run other systems at full speed without problem, because they
- leave the control registers alone.
-
- Comments?
-
- Phil
-