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- From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
- Subject: Re: 386bsd -- The New Newsgroup
- Date: 10 Sep 92 06:52:03 GMT
- Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
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- Message-ID: <veit.716107923@du9ds3>
- References: <18iprpINNg6e@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Sep8.200625.2894@socrates.umd.edu> <veit.716026274@du9ds3> <18lkkkINN14d@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- Keywords: newsgroup 386bsd news group
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- In <18lkkkINN14d@agate.berkeley.edu> wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz) writes:
-
- >In article <veit.716026274@du9ds3> veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>As per Bill's suggestion, here's a breakdown of some of the suggested
- >>>>topics and groups:
- >>>>
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd (general questions and trivia)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.kernel (discussion on kernel content/structure)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.windows (ditto, on windowing systems like X)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.sharedlib (shared library and programming environment)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.net (networking topics)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.bugs (new bugs)
- >>>> comp.os.386bsd.ann (announcements, fixes, additions)
-
- >>We have considerably high traffic on 'I cannot boot with my configuration', say
- >>'newbie' stuff.
- [...]
- >Newbies post to the general comp.os.386bsd of course. Pretty simple.
-
- >>I haven't seen much on shared libraries yet in this group, so why sharedlib...
-
- >The subgroups kernel, windows, sharedlib (for shared libraries, Holger) and
- >net (for networking) are actually research/development topics, and have
- >been of intense interest to those who wish to participate in developing
- >these areas further.
-
- Oh, it's not that I do not understand the intention of these different
- groups, my comment (and this was why I mentioned the "newbie") is that not
- everyone will directly recognize the main topics. In particular *.ann is
- called *.announce in other subtrees, however, the topics do not necessarily
- include "fixes, additions" (cf. gnu.announce)
-
- >Please remember, 386BSD is not a commercial system, but intended to facilitate
- >research and educational inquiry on new work and new paradigms. It is hoped
- >that all of those people who have written me asking to be part of these
- >projects will be able to actually aid/formulate newer models of thought.
-
- I have always seen 386BSD as a non-profit, research, and educational system,
- and I strongly advocate that it won't go the BSDI way ;-(.
-
- >For example, shared libraries are quite easy to "hack in" (just look at
- >Linux), and for some systems that is probably the best approach -- just
- >get it in there and going. However, there are several considerations that
- >must be dealt with before putting in such a feature. Expedient approaches
- >can result in a long-time legacy that is difficult to support and even
- >impedes new progress in related areas.
-
- Currently I'm still "hacking" at pccons (will be called "co"nsole driver next),
- but my next goal is quite clear: I want to have the disk space back that is
- currently used by statically linked X apps (=> shared libs). We should talk
- about that in another *thread*. I admit that others might have opinions
- on the implementation different than mine, but I don't see - for now! -
- that this justifies its own subgroup. I may be wrong, of course, in the
- long term, but the group comp.os.386bsd to come may evolve as well as the
- OS itself.
-
- >Once we get these groups rolling, I don't think it will be difficult to
- >differentiate.
-
- I agree, with a slight modification:
-
- Once we get a main group comp.os.386bsd rolling, I don't think it will be
- difficult to differentiate.
-
- >Lynne Jolitz.
-
- Holger
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