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- From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
- Subject: Re: 386bsd -- The New Newsgroup
- Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:51:48 GMT
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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- References: <18iprpINNg6e@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Sep8.200625.2894@socrates.umd.edu> <veit.716026274@du9ds3>
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- Keywords: newsgroup 386bsd news group
-
- In article <veit.716026274@du9ds3> veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de writes:
- >In <1992Sep8.200625.2894@socrates.umd.edu> john@socrates.umd.edu (John VanAntwerp) writes:
- >
- >>In article <18iprpINNg6e@agate.berkeley.edu> wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz) writes:
- >>>
- >>>As per Bill's suggestion, here's a breakdown of some of the suggested
- >>>topics and groups:
- >>>
- >>> comp.os.386bsd (general questions and trivia)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.kernel (discussion on kernel content/structure)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.windows (ditto, on windowing systems like X)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.sharedlib (shared library and programming environment)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.net (networking topics)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.bugs (new bugs)
- >>> comp.os.386bsd.ann (announcements, fixes, additions)
- >
- >>I think that this is a fine set of newsgroups...
- >
- >> John
- >...
- >We have considerably high traffic on 'I cannot boot with my configuration', say
- >'newbie' stuff. Since I follow this group quite long, I would have an idea
- >where to post such a question, but if I were a beginner and desperate
- >because of 386bsd had just cleaned my whole disk, I would perhaps ignore
- >the different groups and send my mail to all of them, perhaps to find
- >one who can answer.
-
- Oh, you mean like the UNIX trademark and other soliliquies that we're all
- wading through? Yes, I suppose some loudmouth could post to everything, but
- that's what net etiquette is intended to prevent.
-
- Newbies post to the general comp.os.386bsd of course. Pretty simple.
-
- >I haven't seen much on shared libraries yet in this group, so why sharedlib...
-
- The subgroups kernel, windows, sharedlib (for shared libraries, Holger) and
- net (for networking) are actually research/development topics, and have
- been of intense interest to those who wish to participate in developing
- these areas further.
-
- Please remember, 386BSD is not a commercial system, but intended to facilitate
- research and educational inquiry on new work and new paradigms. It is hoped
- that all of those people who have written me asking to be part of these
- projects will be able to actually aid/formulate newer models of thought.
-
- For example, shared libraries are quite easy to "hack in" (just look at
- Linux), and for some systems that is probably the best approach -- just
- get it in there and going. However, there are several considerations that
- must be dealt with before putting in such a feature. Expedient approaches
- can result in a long-time legacy that is difficult to support and even
- impedes new progress in related areas.
-
- 386BSD is intended to encourage discussion and involvement throughout
- the world. It is not an end in itself.
-
- We intend to be quite involved in these topics to help others work towards the
- future.
-
- >I if found just a bug in /sys/kern/kern_execve.c, should I post to
- >comp.os.386bsd.bugs or c.o.3.kernel, just because my detected effects could be
- >for interest for the latter group as well? And if I fixed the bug on the fly,
- >should I also send it to c.o.3.ann? Similiar things might happen with
- >network related things.
-
- It depends. If you find a bug but not the solution, you post to "bugs".
- If you find the fix, you post to "ann". The kernel and networking groups
- are intended for basic new work in the kernel and in networking.
-
- Knowing the quality of work you already have accomplished with 386BSD, Holgar,
- I am sure that your involvement in at least one of these research topic groups
- would be a great asset. In general, I've been most impressed with the talent
- and critical eye taken with respect to these topics thus far, and I know that
- there is much more to openly consider and discuss.
-
- Once we get these groups rolling, I don't think it will be difficult to
- differentiate.
-
- Lynne Jolitz.
-