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- From: paul@hal.COM (Paul Sander)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
- Subject: Re: Reporting bugs in A/UX
- Message-ID: <1892i1INNrr6@parlo.hal.COM>
- Date: 5 Sep 92 01:29:37 GMT
- References: <1992Sep2.054029.7176@panix.com> <183fioINNg7t@parlo.hal.COM> <1992Sep3.204122.464@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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- In article <1992Sep3.204122.464@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrsbg@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov (Steve B. Green) writes:
- >In article <183fioINNg7t@parlo.hal.COM> paul@hal.COM (Paul Sander) writes:
- >>In article <1992Sep2.054029.7176@panix.com> alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
- >>writes:
- >>>dundas@chip.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John Dundas) writes:
- >>> [Complains that bugs reported via comp.unix.aux and
- >>> reports.aux@applelink.apple.com go unacknowledged]
- >>>[deleted]
- >>[stuff about purchasing phone support]
- >
- >Garbage! Dont tell me that I have to purchase phone support so the
- >bugs I report can get fixed.
-
- I didn't. I said that you shouldn't expect an acknowledgement of your
- report, nor should you expect _fast_ service. You didn't pay for it,
- so why should you expect them to do something for you (which may entail
- a significant amount of resources to reproduce, repair, and QA the bug)
- for free?
-
- >The problem is that Apple does not put enough weight on responding to
- >reported bugs. Antonio has been known to respond to some reports but
- >the stated policy was(/is?) NOT to respond to reports.
-
- That was before the support folks were moved to Austin. That organization
- seems to have its act a bit more together. Nevertheless, I wouldn't
- expect them to respond to any bug report that doesn't have a customer
- access number on it in any timely fashion. (Well, if it reports a
- kernel panic, then maybe they should jump on it, but most problems
- reported that way probably aren't as severe as that.)
-
- >To be fair, I am sure that not all reports that I have submitted have
- >actually been bugs. However, I can say for sure that I know of bug(s)
- >that I have submitted during 2.0b12 (or so) that still exist in 3.0.
- >So why is that.. Broken by design? Apple does not care? The information
- >never got to the correct person? What?
-
- I reported one against 2.01 that was fixed by replacing UUCP. It turns
- out that the underlying cause (differing sizes of the ino_t data type
- based upon compatibility options, with the smaller [useless] one being
- the one used for System V and BSD compatibility) wasn't fixed. I assume
- this is for backward compatibility reasons. Some things are BAD (Broken
- As Designed) and can't be fixed.
-
- >I guess I will never know but because of that, I will submit no more bug
- >reports to Apple.
-
- Then you'll have no more bugs fixed. Too bad.
-
- >For comparison, when I submit a bug report to Convex, I get a notice
- >of receipt within 24 hours and a number to track the problem with.
- >When the report is delt with, I get another notice of the resolution.
- >... and we dont even have to pay for that service. :)
-
- Well, someone has to pay for it. If you don't, then either your
- company does or the vendor does. I've not dealt with Convex, but
- I've worked for companies that have dealt with Sun, IBM, DEC, HP,
- and others. All of them had to pay for support services, either
- through the vendor, or through third party support organizations.
- Or, they could fix their own bugs, as I have done in the past with
- other systems. Frankly, I'd rather have someone else more familiar
- with the innards of the system do the support, and I'm willing to
- compensate them for their effort. Apple's support is inexpensive,
- and has demonstrated responsiveness to me, so I use it.
- --
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