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- From: hart@waterloo.hp.com
- (Tony Hart)
- Subject: Re: Xterminal-Server ratio wanted
- Sender: news@waterloo.hp.com (NetNews)
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- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:24:40 GMT
- References: <Bun4Cu.Ft5@solbourne.com>
- Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
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- Cy Foughty (cy@solbourne.com) wrote:
- :
- : I have performed some tests using a network monitor that also can
- : generate traffic. The rules I came up with usually give a good response
- : time on Xterminals.
- :
- : Xterminal Configuration Rules
- :
- : 1. Separate ethernet segments for Xterminals and ONLY Xterminals!!!!!!
- : Ratio: 1 ethernet segment for
- : every 100 Xterminals with no more than 40 to 50 Xterminals having
- : heavy graphics programs running. If ALL of your Xterminals are running
- : a lot graphics then reduce the ratio to 1 enet segment for every 30-50
- : Xterminals. You'll need to experiment.
-
- Yup. We generally recommend no more than 40 HP 700/RX's per lan segment.
-
- : 2. Because the X protocol trys to use commands instead of transfering images
- : use RISC based Xterminals such as the NCD 19c (19" color). The draw functions
- : will be performed faster. This is one of the most important rules!!!!!
-
- Yup. RISC is the way to go if you want the highest-performance graphics and
- LAN thruput. That's why all our X terminals are RISC-based :-).
-
- : 3. When setting up the Xterminals DO NOT USE NFS for anything!! NFS is a pig!!
- : Use the tftp protocol!
-
- Maybe. NFS is sure a lot faster than TFTP when booting the X server or loading
- fonts.
-
- : 4. Xterminals require SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVERS for good response time.
- : A SparcStation 2 or and HP 7xx are not good Xterminal servers. I/O on the
- : server side must be fast. Also configure the SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVER
- : with enough memory and cpu's. This can only be determined by analysis of the
- : applications running on the server. Suffice to say uniprocessor boxes and
- : ASYMMETRICAL MULTIPROCESSOR SERVERS (can you say "SUN") are the worst for
- : Xterminals.
-
- Hmmm. We have a lot of satisfied customers using HP 9000/7xx hosts and 700/RX
- terminals. Solbourne wouldn't happen to make SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVERS,
- would they :-) ?
-
- : 5. Broadcast packets will kill the network. Xterminals seem to show it more.
- : Keep the segments free from broadcast packets. Like, xdm access should be
- : direct rather than through broadcast packets. Use routers to clean up the
- B
- : segment if needed.
-
- Maybe. I find it very handy to run my terminal in XDM broadcast mode and
- choose from a list of available hosts, based on current load.
-
- : Comments:
- :
- : I have used workstations for years and also Xterminals. There are cases
- : where workstations are the solution. However, Xterminals provide great
- : service and you have access to the entire server resources. This is good
- : only when the server is a SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVER that has the
- : memory, cpu's, and I/O controllers on separate boards. Because if the
- B
- : server goes down, all that is needed is to pull the failing board and
- : reboot the server. Performance might decrease while awaiting the new
- : board, but the system will be running.
- :
- : While developing software on a VAX with several hundred other engineers
- : the performance went in the gutter. Compiles took hours instead of minutes.
- : The solution the MIS department came up with: buy a bigger VAX. OK, fine.
- : for about 6 months, then the same thing again! Same solution! The VAX
- : upgrades were in the millions of dollars!! The UNI-processor VAXes
- : with I/O to multiple processes chokes. There is a bottleneck, it is
- : called I/O!
- :
- : With SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVERS that have multiple I/O channels
- : (not all do) most of the bottlenecks vanish.
- :
- :
- : Xterminals work great if setup correctly with the correct server!!!!!!
-
- I keep seeing "SYMMETRIC MULTIPROCESSOR SERVERS" (all caps); is this some sort
- of registered trademark of Solbourne Computers :-) ?
-
- Tony Hart,
- Panacom Automation Division,
- Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd.
-
- Standard Disclaimer:
- All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of
- the Hewlett-Packard Company.
-