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- From: rick@sadtler.sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
- Subject: Bridge or Router SUMMARY
- Message-ID: <1992Sep9.123413.14150@sadtler.com>
- Sender: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
- Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:34:13 GMT
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-
- Hello all.
-
- A couple of weeks back I asked about bridges and routers,
- and what to do about a Novell/TCP thinnet backbone.
- At times, the NFS on the TCP side would hang up for long
- periods of time. The receive light on a repeater would indicate
- constant activity on the PC/Novell side at these times. Upon
- investigation, we find that the PC/Novell receive light is on
- during some big PC Database queries. At the time of my cry for
- help, a series of particularly long queries were being generated.
-
- I received many real good responses, my thanks to everyone!
- I summarize below.
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- 1. Differences between a Bridge and Router
-
- (Taken from Rodney Campbell (rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au)'s response):
-
- In simple terms there are a number of network devices which work at
- different levels (of the OSI model).
-
- A Repeater is a device that works at OSI Level 1 - The Physical layer. It
- simply repeats the waveforms on one side to the other. It knows nothing
- about higher level protocols.
-
- A Bridge is a device that works at OSI Level 2 - The Link layer. It can
- filter traffic based on MAC level addresses (Ethernet Addresses) - These
- bridges are usually learning bridges which learn where devices are over a
- period of time and then discard the information after a while because it
- is possible for you to move stuff around (The purge time is usually in the
- order of minutes). A bridge does not understand higher level protocols
- like IP or IPX etc. It just repeats frames like HDLC etc.
-
- A Router is a device that works at OSI Level 3 - The Network layer. It can
- understand routing information and simply routes packets to another
- network based on Network Level Addresses (The IP Address is one of these).
- A router must understand the protocol it has to route (IP, IPX, AppleTalk,
- etc).
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- 2. Recommendations for my situation:
-
- (Taken from Stephane Bortzmeyer (bortzmeyer@cnam.cnam.fr)'s response):
-
- If the problem lays in the limitations of thin-net, a bridge is sufficient
- (because you have a layer 2 problem). It will not slow down your network,
- since all the bridges are as fast as Ethernet itself.
- If you have other problems (security and need for "clever" filtering,
- different IP networks on one cable, etc), you need a router.
-
- ----------------------------------------------------
- 3. Could be hardware...
-
- (Taken from Gary Heston (gary@sci34hub.sci.com)'s response):
-
- So, how long is this backbone? Thin is limited to 185 meters (about
- 606 feet). It doesn't sound like you're exceeding the connection
- limit (30).
-
- ...
-
- So, did you swap the ports on the repeater and verify that the
- indications are the same? Cabletron has a good reputation, but
- everything breaks sometime.
-
- ...
-
- > Or might there
- >be a short between the PC and Workstation side. PC group has
- >experienced no difficulty lately, so I doubt a short.
-
- Definantly not shorted; the whole thing would go down immediately.
-
- A filtering bridge would fix the symptom, not the problem. It sounds
- like you've got a PC with a card broadcasting garbage packets. Try
- turning off each PC and checking the repeater; when the receive light
- starts acting like the one on the workstation side, you've found the
- culprit. Fix it, and your PC users should see a considerable improvement
- in response time and throughput.
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------
- Many thanks to:
-
- Peter Van Epp (vanepp@sfu.ca)
- Pat Barron (Pat_Barron@transarc.com)
- Jack Thomasson (Jack_Thomasson@SED.Provo.Novell.COM)
- Kelly (kelly@jupiter.nmt.edu)
- Mark Solsman (solsman@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
- Rodney Campbell (rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au)
- Dave (dcc@!world.std.com)
- Gary Heston (gary@sci34hub.sci.com)
- Thad Phetteplace (tdphette@mke.ab.com)
- Peter Graw (peter@iol.ca)
- Stephane Bortzmeyer (bortz@cnam.cnam.fr)
- Gil Kloepfer Jr. (gil@limbic.ssdl.com)
-
- And any I've forgotten!
-
- -Rick.
- --
- Rick Morris Email: rick@sadtler.com
- Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia -But I speak for myself
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