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- From: S_Page@GO.COM
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
- Subject: Re: Novice question on Penpoint installation on PC
- Message-ID: <410@asylum.UUCP>
- Date: 8 Sep 92 04:25:10 GMT
- Sender: cron@asylum.UUCP
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- >> My Penpoint installaton process in hitting upon the dreaded 1008 error
- >> message; probably has to do with the VGA card in my PC.
-
- Set the VGA card to be in standard 640x400 VGA mode. If the card has some
- auto-sensing stuff in it that lets it switch modes, disable it.
-
- Also, try the HardDisk=hardware in \PENPOINT\BOOT\MIL.INI, or deleting some
- services. Plus the obvious like renaming CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT and
- booting with an empty system.
-
- It could be that you simply have Nonmaskable interrupts coming in, e.g.
- from a bad ECC memory chip.
-
- >> My PC is not a recommended configuration by Go; hence I am looking to
- >> this newsgroup for help. Any tips would be appreciated.
-
- I wouldn't give up just yet. GO has yet to find a reproduceable case of a
- desktop machine that meets the specs on p25 of PenPoint Development Tools
- that won't run 1.0, except for some EISA machines (fixed in 1.01).
-
- >> The PC configuration is as follows:
-
- >> Mylex Motherboard with 386/20 and 8Mb Of RAM; 8 SIMMS, each is 1Mb x 9
- >> Cheap Weitek VGA card with NEC MultiSync Monitor
-
- Is this an EISA board? From a list of machines that our customers
- have reported successfully running PenPoint,
- Pyramid 303+ Waveline (Mylex MXA 386 Motherboard) 386/33 MHz.
-
- If any of you have a working clone PC configuration that you would like to
- recommend, I would be very happy to hear from you.
-
- >> The full list is on CompuServe (GO PENFORUM, Library 6, SDKPCS.TXT),
- I've attached it.
-
- Help!!!
-
- GO Customer Services (415)358-2050 and GOCustomer@GO.com, can help with SDK
- installation problems.
-
- Aurobindo Tripathy
- auro@mri.com
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- PCs that reportedly do or don't run the SDK Revision 2.1 June 29 1992
-
- Saved as SDK_PCs.TXT
-
- Running PenPoint from DOS is similar to trying to run OS/2 from the DOS
- command line. It's a challenge to make it work! and it won't work
- with all possible PC configurations.
-
- As always, the best thing to do is to install PenPoint on your desired
- development machine before you buy, or make sure you have a money-back
- guarantee.
-
- However, as a service to developers, we are keeping track of reported
- successes and failures of the PenPoint development community running the
- PenPoint 1.0 SDK with different machines. This is still only a guide:
-
- o Manufacturers of PCs change motherboards, BIOS revisions, disk drives,
- etc. all the time.
-
- o One BIOS setup may work, but not another.
-
- We've included the e-mail addresses of the developers reporting success with
- a given configuration. This is no way implies any assumption of liability
- for helping you to get a similar configuration working on the part of those
- developers.
-
- The list of machines that reportedly don't work (at the end) is probably of
- more interest than the list of machines that do. We believe the set of
- PCs that run the PenPoint SDK is much larger than the set of PCs that don't.
- We didn't release the PenPoint 1.0 SDK until it ran on every PC we have
- in-house (that has the necessary memory, disk, and VGA). On the other
- hand, PenPoint 1.0 simply may not work on a particular PC. To repeat, try
- before you buy. The SDK PC compatibility test disk (available on CompuServe
- in the Pen Technology Forum library 6 as PCTST3.ZIP or PCTST5.ZIP) allows
- you to test your PC with PenPoint if you don't have an SDK.
-
- Help us keep this list up to date; post your experiences on GO's section on
- CompuServe, and contact GO Customer Services if you have a problem installing
- PenPoint.
-
- Yours in successful booting,
-
- GO Developer Technical Support
- GO Customer Services
-
-
- MACHINE CONFIGURATIONS THAT WORK
- ================================
-
- Tested by GO (from "PenPoint Development Tools")
- ------------
-
- Compaq 386/20E 20MHz 386, no coprocessor, Compaq BIOS dated 31-May-89, DOS
- 5.0, 640 + 8,192 Extended = 8,832KB total memory
-
- Dell 325P 25MHz 386, no coprocessor, Phoenix BIOS dated 27-Sep-91 version
- 1.10A16, DOS 5.0, 640 + 7,160 extended = 7,800KB total memory
-
- IBM PS2/70 25MHz 386, no coprocessor, IBM BIOS dated 2-Feb-89, DOS 5.0, 640
- + 7,424 = 8,064KB total memory
-
- also older IBM PS2/70 IBM BIOS dated 11-Apr-88, 640 + 5,376 = 5,980KB total
- memory
-
- IBM PS2/80
-
- IBM PS2/90 33MHz 486, built-in coprocessor, IBM BIOS dated 30-Jan-91, DOS
- 5.0, 640 + 11520 extended = 12,160KB total memory
-
- IBM PS2/95 25MHz 486, built-in coprocessor, IBM BIOS dated 8-Jan-90, DOS
- 5.0, 640 + 7424 extended = 8,064KB total memory
-
- NCR 386sx/MC20 20MHz 386, no coprocessor, NCR BIOS version 1.01.00 and
- Phoenix BIOS dated 15-Oct-90 version 1.02.07, DOS 3.30, 640 + 7,424 extended
- = 8,064KB total memory
-
- Informally tested at GO
- -----------------------
-
- Northgate 386 33E Model FCH, 33MHz 386, no coprocessor, Northgate (AMI)
- BIOS dated 15-Sep-89 version 3.2B, DOS 4.01, Video 7 VGA version 1.09, 40MB
- type 22 drive, 640 + 7,552 extended = 8,192KB total memory
-
- Samsung S800 20 MHz 386, no coprocessor, AMI BIOS version 3.04 03B dated
- 30-Nov-87, DOS 5.0, ATI Basic 16 VGA, type 34 Western Digital IDE controller,
- Conner 201 MB drive
-
- Toshiba 5200/100 20 MHz 386, no coprocessor, Phoenix BIOS dated 15-Jan-88,
- DOS 4.01, built-in VGA, 640 + 7,168 extended = 7,808KB total memory, 102MB
- drive.
-
- Uniq 486/33 33 MHz 486, built-in coprocessor, American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI)
- 486 BIOS for Vantage 486 version 2.0 dated 7-Jul-91, DOS 5.0, ATI VGA Wonder
- XL VGA w/ 1MB, 640 + 7,424 extended = 8,064KB total memory, type 47
- controller.
-
- Detailed Reports from the field
- -------------------------------
-
- AST Premium Exec 386SX/25, 25 MHz 386SX, disabled math coprocessor, ???
- BIOS, DOS 5.0. This is a nice small portable, the LCD is small but looks
- great.
-
- Beta 90 486/33 w/ 128k external cache, AMI 21-May-91 BIOS (Eteq chipset),
- 3MB memory, IDE disk, Orchid ProDesigner IIs. "I can't load DB, presumably
- because I don't have enough RAM" Karl Butz (Karl_Butz@GO.com)
-
- Blue Dolphin 486/50 w/ 256k cache, AMI Symphony BIOS, 8 MBytes RAM,
- 240 MByte Quantum IDE drive,
- and
- Blue Dolphin 486/50 w/ 64k cache, AMI Symphony BIOS, and Conner IDE drive.
- "My partner Cathy Young and I are both using 486/50's with no boot problems
- at all. PenPoint boots in about 30 seconds." Mitch DeShields, IQ Interface.
-
-
- DECstation 325c , IDE C: disk and SCSI D: disk (Adaptec AT/SCSI BIOS version
- 3.10) "PenPoint seems to be able to see and browse the SCSI disk with no
- trouble when using Harddisk=BIOS, but I haven't exercised it thoroughly".
- SuperScript IIs tablet. Dan Halbert (halbert@crl.dec.com)
-
- Gateway 2000 486/33 33 MHz 486, built-in coprocessor, Phoenix 80486 ROM BIOS
- PLUS Version 0.10 G17-2, BIOS Shadow ram enabled, DOS 5.0, SpeedSTAR Plus V.
- 4.23 video, 200 MB disk (Type 43), 8MB memory. "This machine is noteworthy
- especially because it is so cost effective, costing less than $3000, & it
- was InfoWorld's Hardware Product of 1991." James M. Nachbar
- (72755.126@compuserve.com)
-
- HD 386/20mhz, no coprocessor, AMI BIOS (1990), DOS 5.0, 52 MB Plus Impulse
- drive (9ms), with 640 + 7424 extended = 8064KB total memory. "I got it at
- HD computer (next to FRY's in Sunnyvale). "I purchased a mouse pen for $40
- instead of a digitizer. Besides saving major bucks, there are a lot of
- advantages using the mouse pen. Handwriting is not that bad after a while
- of practice and you don't have to move your hand in direct proportion to the
- screen." Clayton Weimer (71005.2363@compuserve.com)
-
- Orchid 486/33 Superboard motherboard, Orchid Fahrenheit 1280d graphics board
- and second monochrome monitor, "cheap IDE controller with parallel port, two
- serial, and a game port on the same card" with Maxtor 210 MB IDE drive, 16
- MB memory. David Schachter (david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us)
-
- Solidisk-supplied 486-33 64k cache, AMI BIOS 5/5/91, no-name IDE
- controller and Seagate 80MB drive, Orchid Pro-II vga, with Logitech mouseman.
- (Solidisk are UK-based). Iain Cooke (100010.3021@compuserve.com)
-
- U.S. Micro Express JET 25 386/25 MHz 16MHz Intel 30387 math coprocessor,
- Chips & Technologies AT chip set, Kouwei Electronic motherboard (Taiwan), AMI
- EC&T-6061-040990-K8 BIOS dated April-9-90, Orchid ProDesigner II SVGA w/ 3.1
- Orchid video BIOS and 1 MB RAM, 32K BIOS extension loaded at boot time,
- Kouwei KW-554B IDE hard & floppy disk controller.
- Summagraphics MM1201 "SummaSketch" using the UniPen MM protocol. Works but
- needs some tuning. Two tips: "Don't bother to use the SummaSketch puck
- device. The standard two-switch pen does work, however. Our second tip is:
- tape the barrel switch down and leave it there. PenPoint only senses the
- pen's proximity when that switch is pressed."
- "This system ... is a real "mutt" because it contains devices which span 7
- years (1985-1992) in manufacture and are from several vendors. I find this
- encouraging. PenPoint 1.0 may not be nearly as sensitive to atypical
- equipment types as the DR version apparently was." H. Lonnie Smith
- (smithh@boeing.com)
-
-
- Reports to GO Customer Service
- ------------------------------
-
- ADD-X 340 386 40 MHz
- AIC PC-Clone 386 25 MHz
- AMD Unknown 386 40 MHz
- AMI Unknown 386 33 MHz
- AST Research Premier 386 SX16 386SX 16 MHz
- Compaq 386/20e 386 20 MHz
- Compaq 386/33 386 33 MHz
- Compaq DeskPro 386 25 MHz
- Compaq DeskPro 386 33 MHz
- Compaq DeskPro 486 25 MHz
- Compudyne 486 486 33 MHz
- Data Pro 15A-486S 486 33 MHz
- DEC 325C 386 25 MHz
- Dell 333D 386 33 MHz
- Free Technology Intel 486 33 MHz
- Fujikama (clone) Intel ETEQ 486 board 486 33 MHz
- Gateway 2000 486 33 MHz
- Gateway 386/33C 386 33 MHz
- Greenleaf Unknown 386 25 MHz
- IBM LapTop 386 20 MHz
- IBM PS/2 70 (8573) 386 20 MHz
- IBM PS/2 90 486 25 MHz
- IBM PS/2 95 486 33 MHz
- Intel (S-486US motherboard) 80486 486 33 MHz
- Intel/Orchid Superboard 486 486DX 33 MHz
- KIS 486 486 33 MHz
- Magnavox Max Station 386SX 16 MHz
- Mega 386 386 33 MHz
- NCR 3300 486 20 MHz
- NCR PC386SX 386 20 MHz
- Northgate 486/33 486 33 MHz
- Northgate Elegance 333 386 33 MHz
- Northgate Slimline SP433 486 33 MHz
- Positive 386/33 386 33 MHz
- Pyramid 303+ Waveline (Mylex MXA 386 Motherboard) 386 33 MHz
- Solidisk 486 486 33 MHz
- TC Systems 386-40 386 40 MHz
- Technology Power 486 486 33 MHz
- Toshiba T5200 386 20 MHz
- Toshiba T5200 386 25 MHz
- Victor V386M 386 33 MHz
-
-
- Passed superficial testing with early version of the PC Compatibility disk
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The PC Compatibility disk is a stripped version of PenPoint containing the
- PenPoint PC Compatibility Test Program. If the test succeeds on a machine
- it is fairly likely that PenPoint will run on that PC.
-
- The (d) indicates that the drive needed to be labelled (hence would
- probably have worked had it been labelled).
-
- BCC Avanti 025 PASSED Needs 2 more meg than std config
- Infiniti 386 sl NP 925 PASSED(d) Needs 2 " "
- Tempo "Carrier" Notebook PASSED Needs 2 " "
- Commax 386 "Ultra-thin" PASSED Needs 2 " "
- Epson NB-SL/20 PASSED(d) Needs 2 " "
- Etoile LT6000 (486dx?) PASSED(d) Slow floppy (?)
- Samsung Notemaster 386 s/25 ? PASSED(d) Screen glitches during boot?
-
-
- DOESN'T WORK
- ============
-
- AST machine ???
- Unconfirmed report that PenPoint affects its CMOS Setup.
-
- NEC Ultralite SL20P
- "The SDK 1.0a that we ship will not run on a NEC Ultralite SL 20P.
- You may have seen a few of these machines within GO running the SDK, however
- those SDKs have been specially modified. The SDK cannot be configured by the
- user to run on this computer."
-
- Tandy MCA machine ??? Had problems reading from floppy during installation.
- May have been a bad SDK disk.
-
- Failed superficial testing with early version of the PC Compatibility disk
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- With additional configuration work, many of these might have successfully
- run PenPoint.
-
- IBM laptop 386sx/20 ? Hangs...? (but note success above)
- Toshiba 3100/20 ? Won't boot off floppy (?)
- Epson NB3s ? Drive not ready error (?)
- Toshiba 4000 sx (486sx) Broken Pen 1 (Drive Not Found)
- Tempo-LX Broken Pen 8 (Wrong Signature)
- Panasonic 370 Broken Pen 8
- NBCC 386 SX Broken Pen 8
- MITAC 3025 D Broken Pen 8
- IBM N51 sx Broken Pen 16 (PPReadError)
- T2000sx/40 Broken Pen 29 (??)
- Toshiba 3100 sx Broken Pen 26 (Unknown Drive)
-