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- Subject: Re: PasteUp Feature List
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- From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
- Date: 5 Sep 92 15:39:36
- References: <1992Sep5.192912.5295@macc.wisc.edu>
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- In-reply-to: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of Sat, 5 Sep 92 19:29:12 GMTLines: 97
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- In article <1992Sep5.192912.5295@macc.wisc.edu>
- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >Although I may have missed some relevant postings, I've been
- >rather surprised by the vehement outcry for Jack Reynold's
- >hide to be stripped because he posted a list comparing
- >Pasteup/PageMaker/QuarkXpress features. I thought it was
- >*highly* useful information.
-
- Well, I'll try to clear up _my_ problems. Can't speak for
- others, of course ...
-
- >The RTF aspect was clearly marked, as people have noted, so
- >that's not the sticking point, apparently.
-
- Indeed, the RTF wasn't the problem. It wasn't all that large
- (he's posted _much_ large RTFs ...)
-
- >This seems the place to say I'm on the beta list and have
- >some first-hand experience with the product. Since people
- >seem keen on being judgmental, I'll say up front that I
- >count both Glenn Reid and Jack Reynolds as friends.
- >
- >Jack is hardly an impartial judge, since he works for
- >RightBrain (and he didn't hide the fact), but I have a hard
- >time sharing the perception publishing the list was
- >tantamount to advertising. Would it have been if someone
- >else had had the information and posted it, for example? I
- >assume people who are potentially interested in the product
- >would be very interested in a list like that. Indeed, I
- >would like to see additional columns for Ventura Publisher,
- >FrameMaker, and Interleaf Publisher.
-
- Well, I will be the first to admit that where to draw the line can
- be very subtle. But, I think the tone of the post makes it _very_
- clear that Jack is aware that he has crossed it. In fact, he
- stated that he was making the posting behind his boss' back and
- presumably without his boss' permission. I'm not certain that
- you can get much clearer.
-
- Someone (many someone's, perhaps) at RightBrain were paid to
- make up that list expressly for advertising purposes. Posting
- the list to the net is similar to if they posted TIFFs of their
- NeXTWorld ads to the net. Meanwhile, if someone (for instance,
- yourself) had sat down and listed the advantages of PasteUp and
- posted them to the net, that's an _entirely_ different thing.
- The end result may be very similar, but it's a different intent,
- and most people would read it differently. You would be posting
- to help other people with your information - Jack is posting to
- help sell his product. Then there are the in-between cases. If,
- for instance, Jack sent the list to you and you posted it, I would
- say that it would still be blatant advertising. If RightBrain
- had paid you to write the list and post it, again it's
- advertising.
-
- Now, if Jack would have put together the list and made it
- available somehow (even at an ftp site) and then posted to the
- net about the availability, I would have had no problem with it.
- If he'd posted the announcement anywhere but csn.announce, I
- would have not been all that happy, but I wouldn't have publicly
- bitched, either. Perhaps that is hypocrisy - obviously, I've a
- vested interest in that form of distribution.
-
- I would compare Jack's posting of this information to posting
- the information in another widely read public forum - the
- editorial pages of a newspaper. A company might write to say
- that the information is available (usually to clear up a
- misunderstanding or error) - but, they wouldn't be allowed to
- post the actual information in most cases. Similar things
- happen in the letters section of a magazine. Most letters by
- companies to such sections consist of positive statements -
- "our program/package has XXX, YYY, and ZZZ." You will _seldom_
- see an article saying "our program/package has XXX, YYY, and
- ZZZ, whereas our competitor doesn't do them or has a very poor
- implementation of those features." If a company writes in
- denigrating their competition, those letters will generally
- land in the round file.
-
- If this were the first time Jack had posted something of the
- sort, things might have been different. But, Jack has a record
- of posting for-profit advertising style material to the
- networks, and not on csn.announce. His informational content tends
- to be minimal or highly skewed to favor his computer or program.
-
-
-
- People who work at companies and use the net as part of their work
- cannot afford to _just_ follow the rules. They have to be
- _better_ than the rest of the net. If every company with access
- to the network started posting advertising material to the
- NeXT forums, the signal to noise ratio would shoot _way_ down.
-
- Later,
-
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