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- From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
- Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.192652.14878@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
- Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System)
- Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
- References: <jbone.716346951@splat> <1992Sep13.053045.25655@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <dillon.0noj@overload.Berkeley.CA.US>
- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:26:52 GMT
- Lines: 40
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- In article <dillon.0noj@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
- >>In article <1992Sep13.053045.25655@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes:
- >>>In article <jbone.716346951@splat> jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes:
- >> <<stuff deleted>>
- >>>I don't think that argument is refutable --- it's merely one
- >>>...
- >>
- >>UNIX is hell on wheels for your average user. Would you have your
- >>secretary writing up printcaps? True UNIX has a pathetic file system
- >>(fsck? BAHAHAHA!!!), doesnt support a standard uniform model for threads,
- >
- > Oh this is really funny... so you would rather use CHKDSK on a PC?
- <<tons o' stuff deleted>>
-
- The topic was Windows NT vs UNIX. Windows NT uses a log based file system,
- so it can rebuild itself completely after a crash. I recently came across
- an article indicating the Univel system will be using the same type of file
- system, so this may be a moot point. As for crashing, Ive had a number of
- of crashes on DOS, UNIX and VMS. Ive never had a DOS crash Norton couldnt
- fix. Ive never had a VMS crash where the basic boot process didnt restore
- the file system correctly. Ive had numerous problems with fsck on UNIX,
- and my experience indicates that UNIX is far more likely to require operator
- intervention if the power went down when no users were logged in.
-
- One of the neat things about UNIX is that it has no internals (:-) and its
- externals are easily duplicated. As a microkernel with personality modules
- (one of which is a POSIX module) you should have youre most important system
- calls available (though some NASTY \r <-> \n mapping problems) to build
- your favorite UNIX tools and shells. If someone can merge an X server into
- the POSIX environment the question becomes "if it looks like a duck and acts
- like a duck, why are we still calling it a Pigeon?" Yes, it has shades of the
- "MACH as the next UNIX" argument, but Windows NT is in many ways the next MACH.
-
- > Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
- > 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
- > Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
- > USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
- >
-
- -Steve
-