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- From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
- Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
- Message-ID: <1992Sep13.053045.25655@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
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- Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
- References: <jbone.716138069@splat> <dillon.0nkv@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> <jbone.716346951@splat>
- Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:30:45 GMT
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- In article <jbone.716346951@splat> jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes:
- <<stuff deleted>>
- >I don't think that argument is refutable --- it's merely one
- >definition. If you think product == something that's announced,
- >or exists in a limited form, or exists but is unreleased, or
- >is prototyped, try sending a PO for a volume order for NT to
- >Microsoft, and ask for a guaranteed ship date.
- >
- >If anybody thinks this isn't a *very* important point, consider:
- >the press made similar hoo-ha about OS/2 a couple of years back,
- >and it failed spectacularly to make any significant impact in the
- >market whatsoever. Dose of reality time --- can it be that the
- >PC industry is so starved for something real in the OS area, yet
- >so UNIXphobic, that they're willing to believe anything at this
- >point?
-
- UNIX is hell on wheels for your average user. Would you have your
- secretary writing up printcaps? True UNIX has a pathetic file system
- (fsck? BAHAHAHA!!!), doesnt support a standard uniform model for threads,
- multiprocessing, etc... Splines in X? 24-bit color for under $5,000?
- These are NOT things you find in the UNIX world. Besides, if UNIX was
- so great, why did NeXT choose MACH instead? :-> I didnt see them jumping
- the X bandwagon either, which is the "open" standard for UNIX GUI. SCO
- UNIX runs over $1,000, NeXTstep in its most basic form is ~$1,000, and
- Id expect Solaris to be priced likewise. One uses the MOTIF GUI, one
- the NeXTstep GUI, one the OpenLook GUI. Each OS has a different API,
- different behavior for the same calls, and a host of other incompatable
- anomolies.
-
- >Headlines: "Microsoft *creates* market reality. Film at 11."
-
- Windows 3.1 and Macintosh are still the only systems selling at >1 million/yr.
- NeXT may have the best engineered system out there, but with a small installled
- base, low sales volume, small "aftermarket" business (ie no third party graphics
- cards/accelerators, etc...) and other factors dont change the current market
- reality that Microsoft is ALREADY the volume leader. Toss in one (relatively)
- low price, one standard API, and a GUI used by more users than MOTIF, OpenLook
- and NeXTstep combined, and its not terribly evident to me that they will be
- a minor player next year in the face of some form of UNIX.
-
- >
- >Std. disclaimers.
- >
- >
- >jb
- >
- >
- >
- >
- >--
- >-- Jeff Bone ------------------------------------------------------------
- > NT... Just say N0T. Skate UN*X! Standard disclaimer.
- >------------------------------------------------------- jbone@dell.com --
- > --
-
- -Steve, a regular user of every common UNIX (as well as a few uncommon ones),
- Macintosh, Windows, Windows NT, VMS, NOS/VE, and a few homegrown OSs.
-