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- From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
- Subject: Commentary from an observer (Re: $$$$$$$$$$ RESULT OF MY CASE IN WARNING $$$$$$$$)
- Date: 14 Sep 1992 14:16:18 -0500
- Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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- cyor@cayley.uwaterloo.ca ( ) writes:
-
- >As requested by some of you, I am posting the result of my case
- >regarding to Second Wave.
- >They gave me 90% of the credit and take that 10% as restocking.
- >I don't think they should take that 10% off since it was their
- >mistakes. However, I have to goto school so I don't have time
- >to pursuit them.
-
- I'm glad this matter was settled, and, as I had indicated
- previously, I made an effort on your behalf with Second Wave.
- However, I also desire (and promised) that "the other side" get
- their fair 5 minutes, so I will post what SECOND WAVE responded
- to both you and the BBB (btw, it would have struck me as only
- fair, if you had presented their letter to you here also;
- I can't help the feeling that your presentation of the matter
- here was not quite self-critical enough, in that you seem to
- have both caused expense and time wasted, and I doubt that
- you yourself would deal with someone else trying to do business
- with you in your "style" as charitably as you would like to
- have Second Wave do with you)
-
- given that you have bad-mouthed them to no end, I find this
- absence lacking, causing a lingering doubt about your whole
- presentation of this matter).
-
- As to the root of your problem with the Second Wave product,
- there seems to be every reason (as I hinted at in an earlier
- acticle in this thread) to suspect a third product with
- deficiencies in hardware or software as the cause ....
-
-
- >Please note that a guy form Uof Michigan said that the UofM bougth
- >something from Second Wave and they never give refund to them.
- >(I am sort-of lucky). He said that SW uses many different names
- >to play the game of law.
-
- I recommend you stop rumour-mongering.
-
- if someone at UMICH has a beef, I would be interested to hear
- from him also - and directly. I am much concerned about some
- fly-by-night operators here in Austin-town, but somehow I don't
- think that SECOND WAVE is one of them ...
-
- so, with that said, here are the letters from Second Wave to the
- BBB and to you (reproduced here with their permission), please
- note that I am not party to any of this other than as an
- interested and (trying-to-be) fair-minded bystander.
-
- ---Werner (moderator comp.sys.mac.announce)
-
-
- [ the following 2 letter-copies were sent to me by Lark Doley of SECOND WAVE,
- postmarked Sept 4, result of my contacting them on behalf of Mr, Or. in
- the second half of August, and again in September ]
-
-
-
- FROM: Second Wave
- To: Better Business Bureau Austin.
- Date: Aug 28, 1992
-
-
- TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
-
- Please find enclosed a letter to Mr. Jimmy Or in response to hiw complaint
- to your regarding a recent purchase from Second Wave, Inc. You will see
- from the chain of events described in the enclosed letter that this trans-
- action has been a troubled one. We have not gone through his letter point
- by point to agree or disagree. Suffice it to say, we view many things
- differently. If he had cancelled his order prior to our shipment of the
- chassis to him, none of this would have occured. We can only try to correct
- the situation in an equitable manner. In light of the refund we have given
- to him, we now consider this matter closed.
-
- Sincerely, Roger A. Storer
-
-
- --------------------
-
-
- FROM: Second Wave
- To: Jimmy Or,
- 200 Shakespeare Drive, Apt # 1006,
- Waterloo, Ontario
- Canada W2L6L1
- Date: Aug 28, 1992
-
-
- Dear Mr. Or,
-
- Regarding your order placed with Second Wave, Inc., on July 15 1992 and your
- subsequent letter to the Austin Better Business Bureau dated July 21.
-
- You called us daily prior to your order to discuss our expansion chassis and
- your possible purchase. On July 15, 1992, you placed your order, and we gave
- you a university discounted price. Your credit card was declined on July 15,
- 1992, due to insufficient credit line. You called us several times on July 15
- telling us that your account had enough funds, asking if the unit had shipped.
- We advised you that we would ship as soon as the credit card company confirmed
- sufficient funds in your account. We then received approval of $595 and
- subsequently an additional $400 to make the total of $995 for the chassis.
- THE UNIT SHIPPED TO YOU UPS RED ON JULY 16 AT YOUR INSISTENCE [emphasis as
- in letter. ---wru]. On July 20, 1992, you called saying that you had changed
- your mind and no longer wanted the unit. After going through the hassles of
- your credit card problems, the export documentation, which included a
- Certificate of Origin to save you import duties, additional shipping paperwork
- for foreign shipments, and following your instructions regarding how urgently
- we must ship this unit, we were somewhat dismayed.
-
- You received the unit and accepted delivery at 11am on July 20, 1992, according
- to United Parcel Sevice records. From your letter, you indicate that you took
- our product to a dealer for installation. You claim that the product did not
- work, gave us no opportunity to try and resolve any problems, then shipped
- the unit back to us, which we received on August 11, 1992, four weeks after
- originally shipping the product to yuo. On August 13, 1992, we received an
- invoice from John V. Carr freight forwarder for a $10 import duty.
-
- We have credited your VISA account number [deleted] as follows:
- credit of $595 against the original debit to your account of $595
- the balance of $400 has been reduced as follows:
-
- 10% restocking charge as per our documentation - $99.50
- re-import brokerage fee from John V. Carr - $10
- A second credit of $290.50 has been issued to your account.
-
- We believe the above to be a fair and equitable settlement.
-
- Sincerely, Lark Doley
-
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