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- From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <5973.2ab1e3ce@hayes.com>
- Date: 12 Sep 92 12:34:22 EDT
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- In article <jochenw.716212015@ikki>, jochenw@ikki.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters) writes:
- >
- >>Yes, I can. All I need to do is sit down with a user and a stopwatch.
- >
- > This might in fact be true if that user has never used the machine
- > in question before. But as soon as you got used to whatever interface
- > you are using, it depends on what you got used to, right?
-
- No. What you are dealing with here are preconceived notions as to how to
- perform a task. It isn't a matter of "getting used to" something, it is
- more of a matter of being able to address a problem using a new paradigm.
- This difficulty may center more around the personality type of the user than
- the particular aspects of a given graphic UI.
-
- > If, for
- > example, a die-hard UNIX user would sit down at a Mac he'd have to
- > actually think about what he has to do to, say, copy a file. He
- > cannot use "instinctive" actions that would come naturally when using
- > a CLI.
-
- Wrong. A) CLIs are not "instinctive." (For that matter, neither are graphic
- UIs) The response to CLIs is a learned response, and a high-level cognitive
- function. The user has to consider what he wants to do, then formulate that
- idea into a strict lexical form -- a string of commands.
-
- B) Graphic UIs are based on a lower level cognitive function. This is something
- that you learn from the time you are about 1 year old. You grasp this thing
- and move it over there. Even the most ardent CLI user knows how to perform
- this action. All we have to do is a bit of conditioning for the CLI user to
- tap this learnig when he is in front of a computer. That is probably something
- he isn't used to. (Perhaps it would be easier if he didn't think of it as
- a computer)
-
- > I do agree that a GUI may be superior over (word?) a CLI for a beginner.
-
- Uh, but isn't the ardent CLI user a beginner with a Graphic UI? Why isn't
- it easier for him, too?
-
- I've seen this statement repeated several times -- "UIs are OK for beginners."
- The subsequent statement is never fully expressed: "But real computer users
- use a CLI." That seems to be implied here.
-
- I don't buy it. What is easy for the beginner is also easy for the experienced
- user. The fact that a good graphic UI relies only on low-level cognitive
- functions allows the user to concentrate on what he is trying to do, rather
- than concentrate on how to use the computer. The fact that he is using a
- computer sorta disappears.
-
- > But what do you do if s/he doesn't like the look and feel? He might never
- > find out about that ease of use and consistency of the interface, if
- > he doesn't want to use it due to simply feeling uncomfortable.
-
- Interesting hypothesis. Can you cite a single documented case where someone
- couldn't use a graphic UI because they felt uncomfortable? The Mac UI, for
- example, is rather neutral. Indeed, it is almost boring. If you walk into
- a beige room, you aren't likely to be as uncomfortable as if you walked into
- a shocking pink, orange or blinding white one. Hence the neutrality of the
- stock Mac interface.
-
- Consider further all the Utilities that offer "interior decorating" for the
- Mac interface. You can personalise the interface so you feel more comfortable.
-
- I think theres considerably more latitude in making a user feel comfortable
- with the user interface with a graphic UI as opposed to a CLI.
-
- >>And let me add, once again, that the Macintosh does not have
- >>a GUI. It simply has an interface. Real computers do not
- >>need three-letter acronyms just to make simple things sound
- >>IMPORTANT.
- >
- > Every computer has an interface. The acronym GUI doesn't
- > have anything to do with importace, it just points out that
- > we're dealing with a GRAPHICAL interface in contrast to a
- > simple TEXT driven one. That's all. Strange, though, that you
- > put so much energy in arguments that appear to be rather
- > uninteresting...
-
- Before Windows 3.0, we never heard the term GUI. The Macintosh simply had
- an "interface". The Mac was out for SEVEN YEARS before Windows 3 came along.
- I object to the term GUI myself. I tend to drop the "G" simply because it is
- redundant.
-
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