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- From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <5964.2aae0b25@hayes.com>
- Date: 9 Sep 92 14:33:08 EDT
- References: <922 <ajross.715985399@husc10> <1992Sep8.232350.28473@nwnexus.WA.COM> <1992Sep8.234432.29305@nwnexus.WA.COM>
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- In article <1992Sep8.234432.29305@nwnexus.WA.COM>, kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:
- > General comment: There's a lot of discussion of "PCs" vs "Macs," and
- > there's a lot of confusion because people mix up PC hardware with PC
- > software, operating systems, file systems, etc.
-
- Steve, I see where this is leading. You want to separate comparisons from
- hardware and software.
-
- *YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THE PARTS OF A COMPUTER*
-
- Would you independantly compare the engine and the seats of a car? No, you
- must look at the whole. Computer hardware is so much expensive silicon
- space heater without software. And software can't do one heck of a lot
- without computer hardware.
-
- > Almost all of the arguments
- > claiming that PCs are cheaper refer solely to hardware, and not to OS's or
- > software.
-
- Hardware is useless without software. Mac software is only available
- (realistically) on the Mac. Since the Mac software is one of the strengths
- of the Mac, I see no reason to exclude software from the discussion. It would
- confuse, rather than simplify the issue.
-
- So, even if you do buy a cheap, fast PC. Big deal. You need software to do
- anything useful with it. The quality of the software available for PCs is
- lousy compared to that for the Mac. If you bought a equivalently fast
- (but more expensive) Mac, you'd have better software. Indeed, the software
- might be so much better you could actually get along nicely with a slower
- (but just as cheap) Mac. Hence the perpetual flame war.
-
- Further, the hardware being compared is never equivalent. The Mac comes
- standard with stuff like sound interfaces, SCSI, serial ports, desktop
- interfaces, etc. Not to mention universal system software support of all
- these bits of hardware so all applications can use them. On the PC,
- these things are extras. Even when you can fit out a PC with these
- hardware devices, the software support isn't there -- and cannot be bought
- at any price!
-
- > NeXT is porting their OS to the PC hardware platform. Think
- > about how many of your arguments wouldn't make sense if you were running
- > NeXTstep on a PC.
-
- Just as soon as NeXT starts shipping such an OS, that will have to be part
- of the evaluation. Of course, you'll need a more expensive PC to run NeXTstep
- anyway. And it has yet to be shown if the NeXTstep UI is significantly
- better than the Mac UI.
-
- > To counter the "PCs are cheaper" arguments, we have to
- > demonstrate that the hardware itself is inferior, and thus that any
- > conceivable operating system running on a PC is at a disadvantage.
-
- Why? PCs can only run those operating systems available for PCs. There's
- not an uncountable number of these, there are only a handful. PC advocates
- frequently tout the advantages of several of these OSes, even though they
- may personally only use one.
-
- The OS used on the overwhelming majority of PCs is DOS. Period. A small
- percentage of these DOS users are also running Windows.
-
- > I'll leave it to the experts to expound on the many advantages of the
- > Motorola architecture over the Intel architecture, and just address
- > more down-to-earth issues like construction quality and attention
- > to detail.
-
- I find these endless Intel vs Motorola arguments a) inaccurate and b)
- pointless. Inaccurate because the overwhelming majority of postings contains
- erroneous summaries about one or the other processor, or makes grossly
- simplifying statements. The recent 80286 = 68020 made me retch.
-
- Pointless because we are rapidly approaching the time when the hardware
- will cease to matter. The average user doesn't give one whit what kind of
- processor he is running. Nor does it really matter. Apple is talking about
- running the Mac OS on a RISC CPU. When that happens, where will all of
- these Moto / Intel be?
-
- > I don't think there's any doubt that, by some measures, PC hardware is
- > cheaper than Mac hardware.
-
- That depends on exactly what you are measuring. If you are just looking at
- a box labelled "computer" and comparing price tags, you might come to this
- erroneous conculsion.
-
- > Even after setting up many dozens of Macs, I still love this stuff. I've
- > set up an equal number of PCs and they are a royal pain in comparison.
-
- This is the real test. How do people FEEL about their experience with one
- or the other machine. How do you compare that? Perhaps PCs are cheaper.
- But if you feel miserable after owning one, the few extra bucks you pay for
- a Mac might be well worth it.
-
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