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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
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- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:49:35 -0400
- From: Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
- In-Reply-To: <1992Sep9.151745.18833@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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- Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 9-Sep-92 Re: Is Falcon worth
- buying???? Your Conscience@magnus.a (2425)
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- > Well, I've sat down and used OS/2 here in the lab, and, while it is, in some
- > ways, better than Windows, my opinion of both the products is still very poor.
- > I mean, OS/2 takes 30 MEGS of hard drive if you install everything, and that
- > does not include the swap file! Go to an OS/2 machine, move the mouse and drag
- > a window, feels about as fast as your 8mhz ST doesn't it? Amazing, it's running
- > on a 486 50mhz... Did you notice that when you dragged the window you
- > (probably) had hard-drive access... just to move a window! At least, the 8 meg
- > machine we use will often use the swap file for this simple thing. And talk
- > about speed, I've seen Multi-Tos at work, and it was way-the-hell faster than
- > OS/2 (and running on a 68000 at 16mhz, I know that supposedly it is not
- > *supposed* to run on the 68000, but this version did!).
-
- > I don't know what it is, but operating systems like OS/2, that take *humerous*
- > amounts of hard disk and ram, and *still* operate slowly, don't seem like the
- > wave of the future to me... I thought System 7 on the Mac was a hog, compared
- > to OS/2 it's, it's, well, it's sure more streamlined that OS/2!
-
- > OS/2 works no magic, it is huge and cumbersome and slow, just another case of
- > the big guns trying to play catch up... and failing.
-
- > It does look neat though! And the multitasking is a far-cry better than
- > windows, and and and...
- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->
- > |-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
-
- > - who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...
-
- > ||| - FRANK ZAPPA for president! "One of his best qualifications is
- > / | \ that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer
-
- Well, OS/2 is about as big and as complex as Unix. The problem with them
- is that they are a bit too powerful (in their functionality) to work
- on small machines. Their main memory is the HD and the RAM is only
- a cache. So you need a fast drive and a large RAM: 16MB seems to be a
- normal 'minimum' !
-
- Sure MultiTOS (which IS supposed to work on 68000) is faster.
- But does it have virtual memory ? network support ? etc..
-
- Just try to run a text only programm on any unix or OS/ machine: it
- may be slower than MultiTOS but not as slow as it seems to be for
- graphics. In fact, the problem is not slowness, it's responsiveness !
-
- And it is much more difficult to get when dealing with a high level
- operating system !
- Here, at CMU, we have that nice AFS which permits to access remote
- hosts transparently (any other AFS site: no need to ftp). That's
- nice, but that adds a LOT of overhead !
- It's the price of power !
-
- I love my old ST: so simple, so direct !
- And my Unix account: such a big screen, such power, no problems
- about multitasking, memory limits, etc. I can run a program on another
- machine, etc...
- I do have access to multitasking on ST (I always use it) but not VM,
- remote execution (with X server, ..), ...
-
- It's just not the same thing !
-
- Stefan Monnier
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