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- From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
- Message-ID: <1992Sep09.093234.23094@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>
- Date: 9 Sep 92 09:32:34 GMT
- References: <1992Sep8.230955.15392@zooid.guild.org>
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- Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London
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- In article <1992Sep8.230955.15392@zooid.guild.org> kovarski@zooid.guild.org (Mark Kovarski) writes:
- >
- >Nice arguments you brought up. Some interesting points you had there.
- >
- >4000,- DM is a big chunk of money for a 486/33 MHz considering the average
- >earning rates in germany (at least in west-germany). However, the regular
- >packages (Falcon030 with/without HD) do not include a monitor so I would
- >imagine that a complete Falcon030 with HD, Monitor, 4 Meg RAM is over
- >2000,- DM. Still a rather big price to pay and big corporations, even in
- >europe where Atari Corp. makes most of its money, will not buy it since
- >they can't provide the service that IBM, Compaq, Digital can.
-
- True, about the support, but the Falcon can use cheap monitors as well as
- standard VGA monitors. Even VGA monitors are getting down to the low cost
- level.
-
- >I have to disagree with you TOTALLY with MultiTOS and OS/2 2.0 being similar.
-
- I agree, they are totally dis-similar.
-
- >If anyone will "borrow" any ideas, it will be Atari from IBM's OS/2 2.0 but
- >you have to realise that you can't just borrow from IBM.
-
- Who said that anyone (especially Atari) will borrow from OS/2 2.0?
-
- >YOu have to pay
- >BIG bucks in order to use their patents. Microsoft pays IBM 20-25 Million US
- >dollar in order to have the rights to use IBM patents. Will MultiTOS become
- >as nice as OS/2 2.0? NO, it will never be.
- >The early beta versions of
- >MultiTOS were slow, unreliable and unstable. Nothing much has really changed.
-
- If this is true, then I'd like to know what Atari did to MiNT to do this.
- MiNT only has a 10% CPU overhead at worst. Not many multi-tasking OS's can
- do that well.
-
- >IBM's OS/2 2.0 software devision employees 300 programmers while Atari has
- >only 3 (maybe a few more, they don't like to give this information away ;-)).
-
- In software production the rule is often that software quality is inversely
- proportional to the number of software engineers involved :-). This is
- especially true for IBM (I know someone who worked there!).
-
- >You can't say anything about OS/2 2.0 unless you sit down in front of a PC
- >and see it do its wonders. Forget about other OSs, OS/2 will be the way of
- >the future. Unless Unix Labs come up with their "Destiny OS", IBM is on the
- >road of victory. So far I have heard some of the new MultiTOS options and
- >they seemed to be borrowed from other GUIs.
-
- OS/2 is currently Intel only. Intel processors are showing their (great)
- age, they will soon(-ish) pass into history.
-
- >
- >True, the Tramiels are after money. Believe me, they need it BADLY. Will the
- >Falcon030 save them? No. Why? Like you said, it's the nineties and not the
- >eighties. ;-)
-
- Can't deny that, the '90s aren't the 80s, but who said they were?
-
- The main problems with the Falcon are those of any non mainstream micro:-
-
- (1) Image.
- Many people still believe (at least in business):-
-
- If it's not IBM compatible then it's not a computer.
-
- (2) Support.
- Support companies won't support a product with a small user base,
- hence users (business) won't buy them, hence a small user base. In Britain
- even Apple have this problem, they solve it by having their own support
- organisations.
-
- (3) Cost.
- Because of the lack of demand due to the above, the cost of the
- systems is relatively high as they can't be offset by volume. This is also
- recursive as people generally buy the machine with the lowest running cost.
-
- >
- >There is some truth to the matter that the computer only counts but seriously,
- >all decisions are made by the Tramiels. Everything from production to what
- >Atari emplyees can say.
-
- As the Borg in ST:TNG would say... "The Tramiels are irrelevent(sp?)"
-
- >
- >Mark Kovarski
- >E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
-
- Steve
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