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- From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: Re: GEM.. what needs to be fixed, and soon!
- Message-ID: <1992Sep07.100614.24230@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>
- Date: 7 Sep 92 10:06:14 GMT
- References: <ABADDON.92Sep1121112@suprenum.supr.scm.liv.ac.uk> <1992Sep04.085511.23890@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <1992Sep04.121952.133363@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
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- In article <1992Sep04.121952.133363@rrz.uni-koeln.de> aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
- >In <1992Sep04.085511.23890@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
- >
- >>Secondly, for the Atari non-intel based machines to be taken seriously at
- >>all they have to run a set of de facto standard software. It doesn't really
- >>matter if the Atari specific software is more powerful or even cheaper, it's
- >>just a fact of life.
- >
- >If it doesn't really matter, then why should anyone have an ST
- >instead of a PC or Mac? The software for the 680x0 Ataris
- >generally has a much better performance/price ratio than the
- >software for any other platform. Some pieces of ST software are
- >without counterparts on any other system, and the best thing
- >about it is that some of that stuff is even free! To me, that
- >makes a big difference.
- >If you want to use "de facto standard software", get yourself a
- >"de facto standard machine". If you want something better, have
- >an Atari. But don't expect that to be 100% problem free. As
- >someone has once stated: "Many who have been ahead of their time
- >had to wait for it in uncomfortable shelters."
-
- This is all very well, but for all non-mainstream micros (ie anything which
- isn't a Mac or Intel based PC compatable) the problem is image. Before
- (business) people will buy a machine they want to know that they can use
- software which is an industry standard, and thus well maintained. The reason
- for buying a non-mac or non-intel machine are the fringe benefits, ie Midi
- support built in, DSP (in the case of the Falcon) better memory management
- (yes, Atari and other 680x0 machines are far better than PC clones for this
- because of the architecture) etc...
-
- Later on, as sales of machines have gone critical, and there's a full
- support network,the companies currently in Atari software will be able to
- get enough revenue to compete with the big boys and maybe, just maybe, the
- flow of ideas will start flowing the other direction.
-
- >
- >>The only way I can see for this to happen is to produce
- >>and release to developers an interface library which will allow them to just
- >>compile and sell their code from another machine. Maybe the interface
- >>library could emulate the MAC-OS system calls (though I guess Apple would
- >>have something to say about that).
- >
- >Creating libraries is usually something the developers do for
- >themselves. If they program in a too system-specific, unportable
- >way, this is their problem.
-
- True, but the low-level routines have to be re-written for every platform!
-
- Also, many platforms cannot have programs translated between them so easily
- as the basic program concept has to be changed, eg Microsoft Word for the PC
- (both Windows and Non-Windows) and the Mac version, they have to be
- different.
-
- This costs time and money for the developer. Developers established in other
- markets won't even look at the low-sales Atari field unless it costs them
- minimal effort.
-
- >Atari for developing their own OS, not for emulating others.
-
- The OS in the ST is not particularly good (in some respects it is dire).
- This is being worked on by Atari, I must admit, but they are starting from a
- pretty low base. (TOS was effectively a minimal reimplementation of
- MSDOS-type calls to allow GEM to be ported at the least cost. It was
- compiled using a VERY poor C compiler (DRI-C) too). GEM itself isn't that
- hot.
-
- >
- > +- Jan Kim -- X.400: S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
- > | Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de |
- > | |
- > *----=< hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans >=-----*
-
- Steve
-
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