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- From: michael@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt)
- Subject: Re: Minix Sells Around the World! [and how]
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- Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:24:33 +0100
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- In article <2924930111.0.p00014@psilink.com>, "Phil Kramer" <p00014@psilink.com> writes:
- > Will MINIX work on SCSI or ESDI?
- > There is no driver for SCSI or ESDI....
-
- There is support for SCSI as upgrade, ESDI I don't know.
-
- > Will MINIX boot from the hard drive?
- > No, you always need the boot floppy....
-
- You can use additional software to boot from HD, like with Linux.
-
- > Can MINIX reside with DOS?
- > No, MINIX and DOS files must be on different partitions...
-
- Yes, like Linux.
-
- > What UNIX applications run with MINIX 1.5?
- > None.
-
- A lot, although 16 bit MINIX is restricted to smaller ones.
-
- > Does MINIX support graphics in the C compiler
- > (line drawing)?
- > No.
-
- Sorry to say so, but that is stupid. a) You mean a library written in
- C, not a compiler. b) You are probably not aware or mini-x for 386 MINIX
- and MGR for 8086 and 80386 MINIX (I heard it runs on STs too).
-
- > Is MDV included on the disk with the IBM version?
- > No
-
- Hm. I have no idea what MDV is ... :(
-
- > Does MINIX have Lex and Yacc?
- > Not in the distribution version. There are versions on the net.
-
- Ok.
-
- > Does MINIX run X-Windows?
- > No.
-
- Ok. Some people having X run on their private hacked versions means
- nothing, becase they are not available for others.
-
- > Is there an NKS Tool Set?
- > No.
-
- Eeek, again I have no idea what that is ...
-
- > Does MINIX have AWK?
- > No...
-
- It has bawk, which is a subset. Some full PD awks are smaller than 64k,
- so porting should be possible to 16 bit MINIX. 32 bit versions of
- course can run gawk.
-
- > Does MINIX support floating point?
- > No.
-
- There are upgrades.
-
- > Can you add a mail facility to MINIX?
- > No.
-
- Yes.
-
- > Is MINIX compatible to SCO-ZENIX for UNIX? [!]
- > No.
-
- Ok.
-
- > Are there multiple code segments and/or multiple data segments
- > in C programs for MINIX 1.5?
- > No...
-
- No, one code and one data segment. The segment size is dependent of the
- hardware, multiple segments are just a hack to overcome braindamaged
- chips ...
-
- > Is there a C-Debugger for MINIX 1.5?
- > No.
-
- Ok. There is a assembler debugger however.
-
- > When is the next version of MINIX due?
- > 2-3 years. [!]
-
- Oh :) You kow more than me ... or is it just a guess?!
-
- > Are there transparencies or other material available?
- > No.
-
- There is the MINIX book and source code.
-
- Let me say a final word: Comparing MINIX 1.5 for XTs with Linux on a 386
- isn't fair. They are two different systems for two different purposes.
- MINIX is a small experimental OS and IT WAS INTENDED TO BE THAT. It is
- not a real unix with all features. Some people wrote upgrades until it
- was close to that instead of writing a completely new system, because it
- was fun working with MINIX and doing a patch is easier than writing a
- new full system (like Linus did). MINIX on a 68k with MMU or on a 386,
- with most important diffs applied comes close to Linux, but it is hard
- work to build it.
-
- In fact, it was close enough for Linus using it as development platform
- for Linux until Linux was a standalone system.
-
- If I remember right, Andy once said that he is glad about Linux, because
- it keeps the people away who want to force him making MINIX a less
- experimental system. I agree. When MINIX 2.0 will be released, it will
- compare to Linux as MINIX 1.5 for XTs compares to v7. You will have a
- small system which has much POSIX in it, and it will be wonderful to
- play with it *because it is small*. You are not going to need a
- workstation like machine and cry over a few thousand ruined files and
- how long backup and restore of 60 floppies needs, when you make a
- small mistake in fs.
-
- I am not going to say something about Coherent ... because neither
- comp.os.minix or comp.os.linux or even comp.os.coherent are groups for
- useless flame wars.
-
- Michael
-