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From: [e-mail] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Is it time to subdivide this group?
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>I have 50 messages in the last 12 hours...

This offers me an excuse to repeat the proposal to use an UU group ;-)
(note the crosspost)

From: [e-mail] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: A newsgroup for newcomers - using alt.uu.comp.misc?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Whew, comp.os.linux really has an active crowd of talented people.

There has been talk about splitting comp.os.linux and/or helping out
newcomers to the *ix family of operating systems for various reasons.

To help solve some of the problems, I'd like to propose start using
the alt.uu.comp.misc group (and later possibly alt.uu.comp.linux.*
groups) for topics for newcomers of Linux, and possibly authoring
document material / tutorial material and/or tutorial software to
help people learn Linux.

The alt.uu hierarchy is the "Usenet University" hierarchy - a
volunteer collaborative self-education and education resource.  Many
have said the idea sounds quite like Usenet as a whole - it is quite
similar, but more closely oriented to learning / education and also
suitable to newcomers, people who have no prior knowledge on certain
topic.

Here's the info blurb for UU:

[ old one deleted and replaced with the current FAQ ]

Newsgroups: alt.uu.announce,alt.uu.future,news.answers
From: [e-mail] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: ADMIN,DOC: Usenet University FAQ
Summary: what is UU; info on current UU groups, ftp & gopher archives
Keywords: self, distance, education, uu, volunteer, learning, cooperation
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jyrki Kuoppala)
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Expires: 5 Oct 92 00:00:00 GMT
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Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Archive-name: usenet-univ-FAQ
Last-modified: 1992-09-08

Posted monthly on alt.uu.announce and alt.uu.future (and news.answers).

Available by anonymous ftp on host nic.funet.fi, in file
pub/doc/uu/FAQ and via the gopher server at Helsinki University of
Technology otax.tky.hut.fi/70, Topics/Learning.

Contains the "what-is-uu" document
(nic.funet.fi:/pub/doc/uu/what-is-uu) and a current list of UU groups
(nic.funet.fi:/pub/doc/uu/newsgroups), both of which plus this
document are also available in gopherspace.

Followups on this article are directed to alt.uu.future.

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What is UU?

Contents:

1. What is Usenet University?
2. What the name means and how to participate in UU
3. Goals and principles
4. Administration
5. Copyright on the articles and learning material
6. Technology
7. Disciplines or division of topics
8. Later steps
9. What to do to keep the UU ball rolling and growing?


1. What is Usenet University?

Usenet University, or UU (not to be confused with Uppsala University)
is, or more accurately will be, a society of people interested in
learning, teaching or tutoring.  There is no formal organization or
funding at least as of yet, and the concept exists currently mostly in
the newsgroup alt.uu.future which was created on June 12, 1992.  It is
the group for discussing the future of Usenet University, and
discussions on alt.uu.future will to a large extent shape what the UU
will become.  Many people have already participated on the discussion
and influenced the shaping of this document.  (If you do not get
alt.uu.future, contact your news administrator for more information if
it's a problem with the propagation or some other reason - the
administrator often can provide a newsgroup when requested).


2. What the name means and how to participate in UU

"Usenet" refers to the global conferencing network used as a medium or
one of the media for Usenet University, as well as the "spirit" of UU
- UU is open to anyone who can access it, free for expressing ideas,
is quite a bit anarchistic in nature, and thus as Usenet newsgroups UU
will be what the participants cause it to be.

"University" refers to the "community" aspect of UU, not so much to
"university level" or "academic discipline", neither does it mean that
there are specific plans for UU to become a university where you can
get a certificate from.  This doesn't mean to say that certificates or
recgonition of Usenet University by accepted academic would be
unthinkable, just that it isn't central to the concept of UU at least
at this point in the development.  Certificates and recognition
probably will come via cooperation with existing organization if they
will.

For now, Usenet Univesity will operate under the "alt" hierarchy, as
"alt.uu.*".  It would be desirable to later move to a separate
distribution, out from under alt when there will be numerous
newsgroups for various areas of learning.  Thus, there would be a
separate distrubution and hierarchy like (just an example)

uu.future
uu.lang.esperanto.beg
uu.lang.esperanto.material
uu.lang.esperanto.exercises
uu.comp.lang.pascal.env.gnu
uu.comp.lang.pascal.beg

However, "uu" is already taken by Uppsala University.  Alternative
names possible for the distribution are World University (wu),
Planetary University (pu), Virtual University etc.  There will be time
to discuss and decide this when the change to a separate distribution
and hierarchy is made - for now the name is Usenet University and the
hierarchy is alt.uu, ie. the hierarchy will be something like the
above list with "alt." prepended.


3. Goals and principles

One primary goal of UU is to use Usenet communications to offer
participants possibilities to learn things, to educate themselves, to
teach others, to exchange information on learning materials, tools and
techniques as well as publish learning material itself.  In this
respect UU will aim to become a kind of "place to learn".

Connected with this, a primary principle of UU is openness, to stay
open for anyone passing by just willing to learn, with little formal
qualifications or requirements.  To try to commit to this principle
much of the activity will happen on open newsgroups.  It probably will
be desirable to have some kind of classifications in some of the
groups for "beginner" and "advanced" topics to avoid problems of
participants having very different vocabularies, concepts, levels of
expertise etc. and thus communications problems.  To implement
classification and make groups more worthwhile with moderated
newsgroups, a possibility would be to have a matching unmoderated one
from which "the cream" will be replicated on the moderated group.

One important goal is to offer several alternative ways for learning.
People learn best with different ways - some learn by reading books on
their own, some by browsing around and experimenting, some prefer
tutors or close teacher/student relationships, some prefer
lectures/classes with strict structure, some learn by doing.  All
these should be provided with an opportunity to learn with the style
they prefer - it might mean there would be several groups for one
topic, using different methodologies.

One goal is to create, organize and offer references to learning
material, to maintain lists of literature, Usenet newsgroups, ftp
sites and services, libraries and so on relevant to fields

One goal is to offer discussion groups for students who learn by
tossing ideas around and discussing them, asking each other and
helping each other out.

One possible goal is to create and archive learning material
(tutorials, exercies) itself.

One possible goal is to offer possibilites for tutors and students to
find each other for email teaching.


4. Administration

There are decisions to be made concerning the process of creation of
newsgroups, possible moderation of them, how to divide topics and
disciplines, how to handle possible (probable) flame wars and other
possibly destructive phenomena, and so on.  Some kind of a
decision-making process will need to be established for these.  To be
compatible with the goals and principles of UU, some kind of a
groupware decision-making support system would be useful to help the
process.

To better classify information exchange and to provide feedback for
participants, some kind of accreditation / peer review system is
desirable.  Here again groupware mechanisms and tools would be useful
for being compatible with the openness principles, dividing work and
avoiding single point of failure.


5. Copyright on the articles and learning material

According to the Berne convention, the author has the copyright on his
or her work.  If a base of learning material is created, copyright is
a relevant issue - should a "Usenet University" trust be created which
holds the copyright, should the authors have the copyright with some
kind of a GNU-like copyright, should the authors have the copyright
and give other only the right to copy the documents in the UU context,
should the created documents be put in the public domain.  There are
lots of possibilities and at least if the aim is to create a big base
of material some guidelines need to be established.


6. Technology

Technology which people os Usenet have varies widely.  Many have
text-only 80 x 24 character displays, while many have workstations
with big graphics screens with perhaps also color and sound, and
software for multi-media email.  This needs to be addressed - for
topics like learning to speak languages, for example sound can be an
essential part and transmitting sounds on UU would be very beneficial.

Besides the capabilites of the media, access to on-line resources such
as ftp servers, archie, www, wais servers, newsgroup archives and
other services on the Internet varies.  Some only have a Usenet feed
with little possibility to access on-line services, some have very
fast lines to the rest of the world and some are in between.

These differences probably will divide discussions a bit - for
learning of languages for example it could be useful to have a
separate group for those who have sound capabilities, to avoid
frustration on the part of those with no such access.


7. Disciplines or division of topics

There are several possibilities for how to divide topics handled in
UU.  There is the discipline division of the scientific community,
there are various classifications used by libraries, there is the
Usenet newsgroup division, etc.  It probably is not wise to use
strictly just any one of these divisions, but it would seem useful to
borrow from many of them.

This is an issue which needs discussing.


8. Later steps

To get things rolling with respect to full-fledged course on UU, we
should discuss suggestions for topics you think would be good as
"prototype topics", with suggestions for group names.  These topics
should be ones for which there are enough people interested on to
reach "critical mass" to develop the course material.  One possibility
would be to take a topic for which there already is reference material
for - some newsgroups on Usenet have excellent FAQs with literature
references, answers to many questions, hints from old-timers etc.
which could offer a good start for a tutorial and/or a course run by
teachers on the topic.

It probably will be desirable to have a few groups for each topic.  An
example division would be to have one group for generic discussions
and one for material references / exercises / other
"carefully-written" articles standing on their own.  Alternatively a
system of keywords in the Subject field could be adopted (like used in
sci.virtual-worlds) to mark the type of each article, but for
unmoderated groups it would be hard to maintain the practice.


9. What to do to keep the UU ball rolling and growing?

For all who are willing to support the idea of UU and possible
similar community projects / resources (like a community effort
encyclopaedia, dictionaries between different languages), the thing to
do is to _contribute_ something - just a simple thing like drafting a
two dozen-item itemized list of subtopics on a thing you know
something about and which you think could be turned into a document
for others to read and help them learn.  Then others could fill in
things on the document, and with each person contributing just a
relatively small amount of work, something just might come out of it.
Another thing to do would be to point out the UU idea and UU groups to
people on other Usenet groups on topics you're interested in - many
Usenet groups have FAQ's which are good information resources on the
topic field, and the UU groups could be used as a media to develop
those FAQ's.
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Current newsgroups

These groups (all but alt.uu.future created 22 July 1992) are part
of the Usenet University.  For futher information on UU, see directory
pub/doc/uu on the machine nic.funet.fi.

A "material" group means that the group exists for postings of
course material, announcements, pointers to material and resources,
essays, etc. relevant to the "department" of the group and/or the
topic.  This group is for one-time articles / posts - discussions are
_not_ suitable for this newsgroup but should instead be held in a
corresponding .misc group.  Followups should be directed and posted
there.  On some UU groups (where there is a volunteer teacher /
teachers) the material will be mostly for course-like work, on others
for self-study, on others the main info will be something else.  The
conventions will form as time passes and while there are none, a wide
range of relevant postings will appear.  Later, different styles of
learning will perhaps spin off different newsgroups.

A "misc" group exists for discussions on learning, followups on the
"material" group articles, and other discussion relevant to the
department or topic.

For all departments / topics, there are as of yet no "material" groups
but instead only .misc groups - in that case, articles fitting in the
material group should be posted with "MATERIAL" as the first word in
the Subject: field of the article.

There are two ftp archives of the Usenet University newsgroups - one
on nic.funet.fi, directory pub/archive and another at
ftp.coe.montana.edu (192.31.215.240) in pub/uu/...  For now at least
the archives don't have articles from the epoch of UU but instead from
a later point in time.

The following groups have been created 1992, July 22nd:

alt.uu.lang.misc    Language department of Usenet University

This is a group for the "language department" of UU.  This is the
"main group" for learning languages, linguistics etc. - later there
will be more specific groups for different topic in the field.

alt.uu.math.misc    Math department of Usenet University

This is a group for the "math department" of UU.  This is the
"main group" for learning mathematics - later there
will be more specific groups for different topic in the field.

alt.uu.comp.misc    Computer department of Usenet University

This is a group for the "computer department" of UU.  This is the
"main group" for learning things to do with computers - later there
will be more specific groups for different topic in the field.  Both
"computing science" and "using computers as tools" topics are suitable
under this department, at first at least.  Some of the computing
science topics perhaps will fit better under math - the choice is left
to each participant.

alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc    Study of Esperanto in Usenet University

This is a group for learning Esperanto.  This is the
"main group" for learning Esperanto - later there
will be more specific groups for different topics in the field.

alt.uu.misc.misc    Misc. department of Usenet University

This is a group for learning about topics not suitable for other
groups of UU.  This is the "catch-all" group, "misc department" of UU.

alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc    Study of virtual worlds in Usenet University

This is a group for learning about virtual worlds or virtual reality.

alt.uu.tools        Tools for Usenet University and education

This is a group for discussing tools useful in UU and self-education /
distance education, what tools are recommended to be used with UU,
what tools are helpful, where to get such tools, etc.  Examples of the
tools include machinery for viewing languages other than English on
computers, possible UU "courseware" (for studying UU course pacakges) etc.

alt.uu.announce        Announcements of Usenet University

This is a group for announcements of UU.

alt.uu.future        Planning the future of Usenet University

This functions as a group to discuss the future of UU, and currently
also as a "misc" group in which generic meta-discussions of UU take
place.  The first UU group, created in June 1992.

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Feel free to use the UU groups!

//Jyrki