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- From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
- Subject: Re: Mailing lists at usenix.org
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.170050.25104@erg.sri.com>
- Date: 10 Sep 92 17:00:50 GMT
- References: <1992Sep9.185515.11606@Warren.MENTORG.COM>
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- In article <1992Sep9.185515.11606@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
- >I know there are some mailing lists (are the all SAGE-related?)
- >that come out of usenix.org. Could someone post a complete list
- >of them?
-
- All the mailing lists currently at usenix.org are SAGE related. This
- is what comes of letting crazed system administrators infest your
- association; they insist on doing things according to platonic
- principles of perfection. Anyway, the mailing lists are run by a list
- server, and mail with the body "lists" sent to "listserv@usenix.org"
- will get you the list of lists. For your reading pleasure, however, I
- have attached the printed version of the working group list, which you
- can also find in the latest ;login:. Besides the working group list,
- there is a main list named "sage".
-
- Elizabeth D. Zwicky
- zwicky@erg.sri.com
-
-
- The Systems Administrators' Guild (SAGE) was founded to meet many needs of
- the people who administer and manage computing systems. As the
- organization grows, we want to have a clear vision of just what those
- needs are and how they should be addressed. In that light, working groups
- were formed at the SAGE meeting in San Antonio in June.
-
- Each group is chartered to discuss a topic of interest and determine if it
- is a viable candidate for action on the part of SAGE. The working groups
- can recommend against pursuing a topic any further. If you have strong
- feelings in either direction, you should join the group and present your
- opinion. If determined to be viable, the working group also has the
- charter to draft for the SAGE board a proposal which outlines possible
- methods of addressing the issue at hand.
-
- Below is the list of working groups (current as of June 25th, 1992).
- Listed are the names of the group, the leader, the email address that the
- working group will be using, and a description of some of the topics, and
- goals the group will attempt to address. If you feel that there is a
- topic not covered by these groups that SAGE should pursue, you should send
- email to <sage-board@usenix.org> describing the topic. If you are
- interested in joining one or more of these groups, send email to
- <listserv@usenix.org> with a body message of "help" or to
- <listname-request@usenix.org> and you will be sent further information on
- subscribing to the various lists.
-
- 1. Conferences and Workshops - Steve Simmons (scs@iti.org) - sage-conf@usenix.org
-
- The conferences and workshops group will focus on public activities of
- both academic and practical use for systems administration, including
- involvement in the USENIX LISA conference.
-
- 2. Publications - Bryan McDonald (bigmac@erg.sri.com) - sage-pubs@usenix.org
-
- The publications group is chartered to put together a series of proposals
- related to the various publications that SAGE wants established. In the
- immediate future the pubs group will be asked to assist in the publication
- of the first issues of newsletter segments within "login:". Long term
- goals include proposals concerning an independent newsletter, a technical
- journal, software tool collections, and any other ideas the committee can
- collect.
-
- 3. Electronic Information Distribution - Mark Verber (verber@parc.xerox.com) - sage-online@usenix.org
-
- The electronic information distribution working group will identify
- existing information sources that would be of use to SAGE members, new
- types of information that should be gathered/produced, and make proposals
- for the effective distribution of this information. Existing sources
- should include reprints of papers/articles and mailing-list/USENET news
- archives. New information sources might include specially written
- technical/positional papers and custom databases such as vendor neutral
- list of bugs. Distribution methods will include WAIS or other information
- servers, anonymous ftp/uucp, and CDrom.
-
- 3. Education - Pat Wilson (paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu) - sage-edu@usenix.org
-
- The education working group's initial goal is to outline possible plans
- for institutional and continuing education of the community through the
- development of model curricula, the identification and promotion of useful
- tutorial programs, and the construction of guides for self-study.
-
- 4. Certification - Paul Moriarty (pmm@cisco.com) - sage-certify@usenix.org
-
- The purpose of the certification working group is to address the issues
- surrounding certification and discuss the various approaches that might be
- taken. The working group will present the model along with their
- recommendations to the board of directors.
-
- 5. Job Descriptions - Tina Darmohray (tmd@s1.gov) - sage-jobs@usenix.org
-
- The job description group will evaluate SAGE's role in assisting system
- administrators with defining job descriptions. If it is determined that
- this is an area that SAGE should pursue, the focus of the group will be to
- create multiple system administration job description suites that can be
- used as templates for those who are writing position descriptions for
- hiring purposes at their own site.
-
- 6. Awards - John Detke (jfd@octel.com) - sage-robbies@usenix.org
-
- The awards working group will focus how SAGE can best go about recognizing
- outstanding system administrators, and their achievements. Initial
- suggestions include a "Best of LISA" award and an annual outstanding
- sysadmin award.
-
- 7. Public Relations - Paul Evans (ple@maspar.com) - sage-pr@usenix.org
-
- As a professional society, SAGE has the opportunity to speak out to many
- factions of industry and/or government on issues that affect us and our
- profession. This committee will examine the issues, set guidelines to
- SAGE's involvement in this area, and (if appropriate) determine a plan or
- focus for the guild to evaluate and pursue (or not pursue). This group
- will also serve to direct any future public relations issues that may
- arise.
-
- 8. Local Groups - Bjorn Satdeva (bjorn@sysadmin.com) - sage-locals@usenix.org
-
- This group will have the task of exploring how the creation of new local
- groups can be made easier, how SAGE and USENIX can assist in their
- formation, and how SAGE can support existing local groups.
-
- 9. Ethics - Ed Gould (ed@pa.dec.com) - sage-ethics@usenix.org
-
- This group is charged with determining SAGE's role in developing a set of
- guidelines or codes of ethics for the system administrator. We see these
- guidelines or codes as having at least two purposes, namely, guiding one's
- self in the performance of system administration tasks, and informing
- one's employer and co-workers of the proper bounds of system
- administration.
-
- 10. Policies - Lee Damon (nomad@watson.ibm.com) - sage-policies@usenix.org
-
- The focus of the policies working group is the consideration of one or
- several documents for system/network administrators to use as guidelines
- or boilerplates in setting up their site's policies and procedures. We
- will also be working with the education and ethics working groups to help
- systems administrators understand just what policies are, and why they can
- be important.
-
- 11. Vendors - Terry Bartlett (bartlett@rmtc.central.sun.com) - sage-vendors@usenix.org
-
- The vendor working group will evaluate SAGE's role in establishing a
- consensus on the types of tools we'd like vendors to provide for system
- and network administration. The group may also act as a vendor lobbying
- organization to convince the various manufacturers to "do the right thing"
- when it comes to system administration.
-
- 12. Standards - Janet Frazer (janet@usl.com) - sage-stds@usenix.org
-
- The standards working group will evaluate the potential for SAGE to
- monitor and affect the various standards bodies that are currently or will
- be in the future setting standards for system administration.
-
- 13. Non-UNIX - John Detke (jfd@octel.com) - sage-outreach@usenix.org
-
- The non-UNIX outreach working group will focus on how SAGE can remain
- pertinent to people who manage computing systems and networks, addressing
- the issues that cross operating and network system boundaries.
-
- 14. Part-Time Admins - Peg Schafer (peg@bbn.com) - sage-pt@usenix.org
-
- The part time working group is concerned that the proposed SAGE charter
- did not mention the large number of people who do system administration
- less than 100% of the time (e.g., there are chemists who fulfill system
- administration roles some portion of each working day; yet, they view
- themselves as chemists, not system administrators). We will consider how
- SAGE could address the needs of such individuals and propose changes to
- the proposed SAGE charter which address this "dual-role" reality.
-
- 15. Security - Laura de Leon (deleon@hpl.hp.com) & Arnold de Leon (arnold@synopsys.com) - sage-security@usenix.org
-
- Security is a growing concern for system administrators. This group will
- examine ways of helping system administrators assess their need for
- security and security policies. We will seek ways to educate system
- administrators on security issues. We will consider soliciting or
- developing sample policies and tools in this arena.
-