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- From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt)
- Subject: Re: taxes, theft, police, etc.
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.135319.9209@tijc02.uucp>
- Organization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter
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- References: <1992Sep9.123903@bk-kgnaix11.aix.kingston.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:53:19 GMT
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- mjones@bk-kgnaix11.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
- :
- : You say this, of course, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the
- : contrary. What does hyper-inflation have to do with the great depression?
- : There was no hyper-inflation before it. Besides, in the vast majority of
- : cases, where governments are operating reasonably normally, government does
- : in fact give legitimacy to money.
-
- I want a currency that I can trust. The only tool government has to use
- is force. This force, in controlling the supply, gives the fiat money
- an accepted value.
-
- : Were it not so, the entire modern economy
- : as we know it would be impossible. Certainly there are pathological cases,
- : but holding up, say Germany c. 1944, to prove that governments can cause
- : hyperinflation is the purest sort of strawman.
- : I claimed that one reason governments were established was to give
- : legitimacy to money.
-
- In the United States, government did not control the monetary system
- until 1913. Our biggest years of prosperity were in the late 1800s. A
- depression followed the creation of the Federal Reserve. Many countries
- have had hyperinflation, not just Germany. (Hungary after WWII.)
-
- Another way to look at the money producing business is like a monopoly.
- Monopolies are accepted as innefficient and prone to corruption.
- Competition is seen as a better alternative. But with competition you
- have failures of business and corruption also. The benefits of
- competition, reducing the corruption, and giving people a choice of
- alternatives, is readily accepted as producing a healthier economy. Why
- does the monetary system have to be a government controlled monopoly?
- This service could be handled by private companies and banks just as
- efficiently. There would still be fraud and bank failures, but the
- competition from competing private banks would reduce the corruption and
- increase the performance, yeilding a healthier monetary system(s).
- :
- : Hey, I think this is great. Unfortunately, this is the first time I've heard
- : of it. How many elected officials do the Libertarians have in, say, the NH
- : state legislature?
- Two.
- : What parts of their platform have they implemented? What
- : are the results, so far? I'm really interested in knowing this, and I hope
- : to hear more about it as an update after the November elections. Note that
- : I'm not interested - I really don't care - about the numbers or strength of
- : the Libertarian Party, or whether people are starting to believe. I want to
- : know whether the Libertarians are putting people in office, and what they're
- : doing once they get there.
-
- The libertarian movement is only in the educational phase. This means
- that people are still questioning the concepts. People have lots of
- questions and will challenge the ideas. This is normal in the spreading
- of any new idea. Before this idea can become popular, it must be
- accepted by a percentage of the opinion leaders in society. This number,
- we could say is around 5%. At that point critical mass is reached and
- many people will believe in the idea. Only at this point will the
- Libertarian Party be able to put people in office and do something once
- they get there. The whole libertarian movement will need to grow at
- least ten fold before this could come about. When this actually happens
- is hard to guess. The fall of the Berlin Wall suprised many people. It
- could be just around the corner, or it could be 20-25 years from now.
- If you want to know if the Libertarian Party will win elections or have
- an influence in our government, the answer is NO -- not this year. The
- whole libertarian platform maybe usurped by one of the parties, just as
- the Socialist Party platform was adopted by the Democrats.
- :
- : Mike Jones | AIX/ESA Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
- :
- : In the good old days physicists repeated each other's experiments, just to be
- : sure. Today, they stick to FORTRAN, so that they can share each other's
- : programs, bugs included.
- : - Edsger Dijkstra, "Selected Writings on Computing"
- --
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- "Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and
- leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress." -- U.N. report
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