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- Path: sparky!uunet!tijc02!pjs269
- From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt)
- Subject: Re: taxes, theft, police, etc.
- Message-ID: <1992Sep7.154400.11977@tijc02.uucp>
- Organization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter
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- References: <1992Sep3.225248.22355@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:44:00 GMT
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- weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Gary Weiner) writes:
- :
- : And furthermore, without a government, there would be no money. That's
- : right no money. You might get by with gold or some other intrinsic
- : value metal, but its damn inconvenient.
- :
- I want to be able to use a monetary system that I can count on.
- Government control of the monetary system has led to the worst
- depression in the country, and led to hyperinflation in many other
- countries. With the information age upon us, it is very feasible to
- invest in gold that you never actually touch, but entrust to a private
- banking company. Government control of money has caused great hardship
- with no method of recourse. If a private institution uses fraud by
- printing fiat money, the judicial system could be used to stop such
- actions. Government printed fiat money cannot be stopped as easily.
-
- : Why are you so happy about the underground economy, these are people
- : who reap the benefits of society and don't pay their dues. I remember
- : overhearing a man who was talking on a pay phone, he was a carpenter
- : who was working off the books when he fell off a roof and injured
- : himself. He seemeed to think that now the government should take care of
- : him even though he hadn't paid any taxes. These are the kind of poeple
- : in the underground economy.
-
- I don't think it is right for people to get benefits from the money
- taken by force, in the form of taxation. But some people actually do
- need help, from time to time, and then I think that people should be
- able to raise money voluntarily. People are always willing to give to a
- good charitable cause ($100 trillion a year in money and time.) I
- prefer the use of persuasion to the use of coersion to help such
- people.
- :
- : Yes, the benefits. Do you think you've recieved nothing from the
- : government? Police protection, Roads and bridges, protection in the
- : workplace, schools, and the network that we now argue on?
- :
- I want good police protection, roads bridges, a safe place to work, good
- schools, etc. Americans already obtain a host of services from private
- providers. There is every reason to think that other services, from
- postal delivery to education to road building and maintenance, could be
- provided more efficiently and at lower cost by the private sector.
-
- We should support all moves to reduce and repeal taxes because taxes are
- obtained immorally, by force. The income tax is particularly evil,
- since it pnalizes productivity and forces all of us to expose our
- private affairs to government snoopers.
-
- We had no income tax before 1914 and America prospered. Replacing the
- income tax with voluntary methods for financing services should be our
- goal, and we should begin right now.
- --
- Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President
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- "Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and
- leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress." -- U.N. report
-