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- From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
- Subject: Ada's (in)visibility in the engineering community
- Message-ID: <1992Sep11.164402.7141@seas.gwu.edu>
- Originator: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu
- Sender: news@seas.gwu.edu
- Organization: George Washington University
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:44:02 GMT
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- Five years ago or so, I was made to listen to a drumbeat of exhortation
- from various representatives of the Ada community, meaning DoD folks,
- their contractors, and the compiler houses alike. These prophets told me
- that no student who didn't know Ada would ever be able to get a job.
-
- I have taught Ada since 1982, as regular readers of this group know.
- The arrogance of the exhortation astounded and appalled me. In any
- event, I can supply a few data points about the current state of things.
-
- A colleague of mine did a reasonably unbiased survey of the engineering
- faculty at my university. Before giving details, I remind you that
- my university is located in central D.C., walking distance from the
- White House and the headquarters buildings of NASA, DoE, and FAA. We
- are several subway stops from the Pentagon. There is no political
- correctness problem here. DoD funds much research in all our engineering
- departments. We have a no-secret-research policy applying to funded
- projects, but many faculty members have active consulting agreements
- under which they do classified work. Most professors here are pretty
- well tuned in to the local industry; it is not an ivory-tower place.
-
- Getting back to my colleague's survey: he polled the non-Computer Science
- faculty, asking them the following question:
-
- "In your own field, what programming languages would you like your
- students to know before they graduate?"
-
- He listed Ada, Basic, C, C++, Cobol, Fortran, Lisp, Pascal, PL/I, and
- "other - specify". Respondents could name as many languages as they
- chose. 27 professors chose to respond; they represented all the usual
- fields: electrical, civil, mechanical, environmental, operations research,
- engineering management. Remember, CS faculty were left out of the survey.
- The results are as follows:
-
- C - 20 Dynamo - 1
- Fortran - 17 Lotus - 1
- C++ - 7 Assembly language - 1
- Basic - 4 Ada - 0
- Pascal - 4 Cobol - 0
- Lisp - 3 PL/I - 0
- Gauss - 1
-
- Granted, this is a small sample. But the fact that 20 of 27 engineering
- professors thought that C would be important to their students' careers,
- and NOT ONE thought Ada would be, is amazing data. If this is the
- engineering world's impression of Ada in Washington, DC, what is the
- take on Ada in the hinterland?
-
- To me, this is yet another indicator of the Ada community's utter failure
- to foster Ada's penetration into fields where its use would be quite
- appropriate. The compiler prices shown in Rich Pattis' post yesterday
- are only one aspect of this shameful arrogance and myopia.
-
- Oh - my colleague supplied me with another collection of data. He looked
- through the Washington Post, Sunday, Aug. 30, in the employment ads for
- programmers. The ads asked for the following knowledge (by number of
- ads for each language):
-
- C - 85 Sybase - 21
- Cobol - 48 dBase - 18
- SQL - 37 Ada - 13
- DB2 - 32 Fortran - 13
- C++ - 30 Informix - 13
- Oracle - 30
-
- Well, 13 is better than 0. But this is Washington, DC, folks.
-
- Anyone who thinks that Ada is being held back chiefly by not supporting
- multiple inheritance is barking up the wrong tree. The problem is not Ada.
- The problem is us, folks.
-
- Mike Feldman
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- Michael B. Feldman
- co-chair, SIGAda Education Committee
-
- Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
- School of Engineering and Applied Science
- The George Washington University
- Washington, DC 20052 USA
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