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- From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: USWest - Helloooo, is Anyone in There?
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- Date: 10 Sep 92 16:02:52 GMT
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
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- X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 700, Message 5 of 11
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- I'd like to talk to someone at USWest about this deal I've been
- reading about in the paper, some sort of on-line directory /
- cooperative thing with the French -- can someone suggest a contact at
- USWest I could talk to who's involved in this?
-
- Today I just read in the {Rocky Mt. News} that it will be $15/month +
- $.15/minute for -- are you ready -- nothing more than an on-line
- phonebook. (You get software, or for $300 flat or $12/month more, a
- simple terminal.) Supposedly just unveiled for Minneapolis.
-
- Excuse me, but have we entered the 1970's yet?
-
- Unless people are awfully gullible (I hope not), or this is a whole
- lot better than it sounds (I hope so), this ain't gonna fly.
-
- Reason #1: Maybe at $.50/month it would work. Geez, I pay $14/month
- for one phone line! Your average person is not going to shell out
- this much when phone books are virtually free (and mostly easier to
- use). How often do you REALLY look things up in the phone book or
- call directory assistance? If it were worth $.10 to look something up
- (about what it's worth to me on-line), this implies I need to look up
- 150 items a month. And if one search takes a couple minutes (to wade
- through the clunky menus) this is already at $.30 a search. If I use
- this "a lot" and look up 100 items a month, I'm looking at $45/month
- for this! Fubar.
-
- Reason #2: Services that DO get away with charging $15/month offer one
- whale of a lot more, e.g., even lowly old Prodigy is a better deal.
- I'd sooner spend my bucks on Compu$erve. (And if you've followed my
- posting history, you know I think they charge too much, considering
- how much is available on the Internet for much less, e.g., via Nyx for
- $0, or CSN at $2/hr.) [Let me admit my prejudice here is that
- information should be and can be cheaply (if not freely) accessible;
- and that information access is a necessity, not a luxury.]
-
- Reason #3: Videotex. Blech! I think MS-windows and X have proven
- that even non-computer-geeks can read decently small size fonts on
- screens; we don't need to regress to the middle-ages here with 40
- character wide screens (which the picture showed; or is it 32?). (As
- for the "transmission speed" argument, I'd rather it be just a
- straight ASCII text interface; either that, or use it as grounds to
- justify ISDN for homes.)
-
- Reason #4: Another Propietary Program. Presumably we won't be able to
- dial in with Procomm, or telnet in via the internet. Bag it right
- there. It'll be too limited for real use (as they always are), buggy,
- clunky ...
-
- Reason #5: Limited access. How are folks in LA going to look up my
- phone number in Denver? They can telnet or dial into our public
- library card catalog for free, mind you. [telnet pac.carl.org]
-
- My recommendations are:
-
- 1) Make it free initially, raise to $.50/month, even $1/month later.
- Forget any hopes of selling it for more than 1/10th the price
- of a phone line.
-
- 2) Use modern methods of connection, such as telnet or a simple
- dialup; or use X. If you want to offer videotex, offer the others
- first.
-
- 3) Find some competent people who know how existing services work,
- especially the internet; I'm guessing by the choice of videotex
- and pricing that someone involved in this is highly incompetent.
-
- Ok, flames on ...
-
- Andrew Burt aburt@du.edu
-
-
- [Moderator's Note: Actually, you are not the only person with some
- serious questions/complaints about this service. By sheer coincidence
- I received another article on the same topic today from Jack Winslade
- and it appears next. I'm sure to get REplies and will run them over
- the weekend as space permits. PAT]
-