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- From: pihlab@hhcs.gov.au
- Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
- Subject: Re: Summary: Controlling "ad hoc" queries
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.085503.368@hhcs.gov.au>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 08:55:03 +1000
- References: <laujakINNp5@news.bbn.com> <1992Sep11.014224.19879@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>
- Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services
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- In article <1992Sep11.014224.19879@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo) writes:
- > A number of solutions are being used. The simplest, for dealing with
- > overgrown queries, is both fascist and liberal limits being imposed
- > on the tool (We do this by means of a client/server system, and impose
- > the limits at the server, thus preventing wasted network traffic).
- > The liberal limit informs the user periodically that the current
- > query is really not at all simple and asks them if they really
- > want you to do it. The fascist limit states in not so many words that
- > the administrator thinks you are being unreasonable and you should
- > go back and try it again.
-
- I assume that you take the user's query and run it through EXPLAIN, then you
- examine the results of EXPLAIN to determine how the script will perform, and
- then you notify the users of the performance of the query before actually doing
- the query.
-
- This would be nice but adds a slower startup and you still don't know how many
- rows are going to be returned OR processed.
-
- > These are both configurable limits based on number of bytes and/or rows.
- > Should the limit be enforced, the server informs the database via a
- > cancel message, and if the user is really desperate they can still use
- > whatever they did get back.
-
- The problem with adhoc querries is more the fact that the user processes
- thousands of records usually with many repeated full table scans to pull off a
- report of 10 or less rows.
-
- SQL*ReportWriter already allows you to put a restriction on the size of the
- returned report but doesn't factor in the amount of work done by the kernel to
- get weed out the required rows and get them into the right order before
- actually sending them to the user.
-
- > The second issue I think you were asking about is the issue of
- > users not knowing the structure of the database and doing something
- > which returned meaningless results (by, for example, misspecifying
- > the joins). Without trying to get into an advertising blurb, our
- > approach is, said briefly, to have the tool do the joins itself,
- > thus eliminating the need for the user to do them. There are a
- > lot of subtleties in doing that, which I won't go into here.
-
- Having the tool actually formulate the script from the requirements as
- specified by the user is a safe way of ensuring the indexes are used
- correctly.
-
- Oracle are doing this (I hope) with their new end-user tools.
-
- --
-
- Bruce... pihlab@hhcs.gov.au
- ^^
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- * Bruce Pihlamae -- Database Administration *
- * Commonwealth Department of Health, Housing & Community Services *
- * Canberra, Australia (W) 06-289-7056 *
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- * These are my own thoughts and opinions, few that I have. *
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