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- Newsgroups: comp.arch
- Path: sparky!uunet!boole!John
- From: John@boole.uucp (John Ahlstrom)
- Subject: Re: Computer architects forced to change careers. NOT!
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.183449.7557@boole.uucp>
- Organization: Boole & Babbage, Inc.
- References: <1992Sep9.213319.7894@fasttech.uucp> <x+tnpl#.tcmay@netcom.com>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:34:49 GMT
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- RIGHT ON Timothy C May -- If you are not making mistakes
- you are not pushing hard enough. Too bad others don;t
- write bout theirs so we can learn from theirs stead of
- ours.
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- In <x+tnpl#.tcmay@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:
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- >zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
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- >: Take a look at the history of the Intel 432. Was there ever a computer
- >: architecture that was a worse disaster?
- >:
- >: And yet, those most directly responsible were (at least initially) allowed an
- >: almost completely free hand to architect what eventually became the Intel 960.
- >: The proprietary crud that was left in the 960 after some sanity prevailed
- >: became the cornerstone of BiiN's non-contribution to the computer industry.
- >:
- >: Probably $100e6 down the drain between the 432 and BiiN. Not even taking into
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- >Ironically, I just posted a few thoughts on the 432 over in
- >comp.sys.intel just yesterday. You might want to take a look. While
- >the 8800/432/Gemini/Biib/960 saga is a long and convoluted one (and is
- >arguably not over yet, as the 960 has gotten a lot of design wins), I
- >think you're being simplistic in your characterization.
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- >:
- >: The concept of reward for a job well done and punishment for an abject
- >: failure doesn't exist in many high-technology companies.
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- >Not true. Successes are rewarded, failures aren't. People leave
- >companies, etc. But companies like Intel---and I was at Intel from
- >1974 to 1986---don't shitcan engineers just because an effort failed!
- >Mistakes are made, that's the nature of high tech.
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- >: The 432 should be studied in all engineering schools as an example of
- >: how NOT to design and implement a computer architecture.
- >:
- >: When screwups like this happen, a LOT of people get hurt in the
- >: resulting layoffs that endear the company to Wall Street.
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- >I agree the 432 should be studied. I'm surprised that none of the
- >principals (one of whom later started Intel's iPSC supercomputer
- >effort, which is doing very well) has written a detailed case history
- >of what went wrong and what went right.
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- >As for your next comment, are you suggesting that with more careful
- >planning mistakes can be eliminated? In any case, I don't recall
- >seeing massive layoffs at Intel at any time.
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- >--Tim
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