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- From: p_misiak@unibwh.unibw-hamburg.de (Carlo Misiak)
- Subject: Re: Turing Indistinguishability is a Scientific Criterion
- In-Reply-To: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu's message of 7 Sep 92 15:07:24 GMT
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:37:08 GMT
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- In article <Bu7rCD.CMG.1@cs.cmu.edu> sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:
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- From: ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward)
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- If I can push a nail into the wall with my own hands, then why would I build
- a hammer?
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- If I can pull a plough, then why would I make a tractor?
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- To get into the domain of computers; if I can perform 50 Gigaflops then
- why would I need a Cray?
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- One does not make machines that merely duplicate human function - they must
- do it better.
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- Nonsense! We make machines all the time that do jobs that a person could
- do, but doesn't want to. Consider automatic pilots, automatic door
- openers, automatic elevators, home dishwashers, or even dial-operated
- telephone exchanges. One could argue that a human can do each of these
- tasks better than the equivalent machine, but the human would get bored,
- want to be paid a lot, go on strike, etc. So a machine that does these
- tasks WELL ENOUGH is valuable, even if it's not nearly as good as a human.
- Then the humans can spend their time doing things that humans like better
- (or, in certain economic systems, they can starve).
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- -- Scott
-
- No nonsense ! If you evaluate performance with a function that keeps an eye on
- costs ( as I understand is done in certain economic systems ), you will
- probably come to the conclusion that any machine that actually is employed is
- better than a human. BTW, I do not believe that a machine that will have a
- chance to meet the TTT-criterion currently propagated by Harnad will ever be
- built in order to merely duplicate human-function - no return on investment,
- since there is the strong assumption that this kind of machine would like to
- spend its time doing things that TTT-proven machines like better.
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- Carlo Misiak
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- *** All that we C or Scheme is but a mind in the machine *** (remember POE) ***
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